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Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
i)You can't drag and drop music

Why would you want to? Actually it is as simple as drag and drop in itunes if you want it to be
Wow. I'm shocked. You have to use an Apple service (iTunes) to get full advantage of an Apple product (iPod)? It will spell the doom someday no matter how many gizmos they add to the iPod…but will it be the iPod or iTunes that goes down?

I have three Mp3 players, all different brands, only one of which is a hard drive based unit (the others are flash), and all three sync up with varying music stores/rippers/library software, and all three act as a hard drive so I can add/drop/copy to any computer using a standard USB 2.0 cable.

Why can't the iPod just play along? The market will kill one or the other. Could you imagine having to buy a Tower Records player to play CD's you buy from Tower, but then not being able to play CD's you buy from Virgin? It would never happen. Why this idea has lasted as long as it has, I will never know, but I'm going to go with Marketing right now. That is something Apple has been great at, despite it's continuous poor business plans.
so…don't lose shit. not too hard
Originally posted by vansmack:
Why can't the iPod just play along?
I imagine its mostly due to the itunes store.

Beside your point is somewhat dull as you can rip whatever CDs you want. And if you have a track as an MP3 or AAC you can pretty easily import it into itunes.

If you naysayers had actually enjoyed the beauty of sex, I mean the ipod/itunes/store integration first hand you would realise that all of these problems you are imagining, have no bearing.

This debate is so dull.
not wanting to use itunes is just crazy, anyway
Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
Beside your point is somewhat dull as you can rip whatever CDs you want. And if you have a track as an MP3 or AAC you can pretty easily import it into itunes.

So what if I'm not at home, I see a legal downloadable song on the net while I'm at my buddy's house or at my folks house, who don't have iTunes installed. Why can't I just download the song and drag it onto the iPod as if it were a hard drive and listen to the song on my commute back? I shouldn't be dependent on having itunes installed to add a song to my iPod. I shouldn't have to have a special cable - anybody with a digital camera or any type of Mp3 player or USB device has a USB cable I can use.

The argument is not dull, you just don't have any answers so you mock instead.
Originally posted by vansmack:
Why can't I just download the song and drag it onto the iPod as if it were a hard drive and listen to the song on my commute back?
riaa?
Originally posted by vansmack:
So what if I'm not at home, I see a legal downloadable song on the net while I'm at my buddy's house or at my folks house, who don't have iTunes installed. Why can't I just download the song and drag it onto the iPod as if it were a hard drive and listen to the song on my commute back? I shouldn't be dependent on having itunes installed to add a song to my iPod. I shouldn't have to have a special cable - anybody with a digital camera or any type of Mp3 player or USB device has a USB cable I can use.
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I dont have any buddys so that situation has never arisen.

This is a different argument and better than the other ones. It is at least legitimate.

Still how often is this a real issue? If it is often clearly you are better off with a different player. But I bet for most people the ease of the i world is more of an advantage.

I have no reason why the ipod will not let you do that, I guess it is preventing it is the easiest way of stopping the ipod being used as a music distribution device. Which would clearly not go down well with the itunes store.
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Why can't I just download the song and drag it onto the iPod as if it were a hard drive and listen to the song on my commute back?
riaa?
Not all downloads are illegal.

There are plenty of free songs available from artists site. There are plenty of downloads from other music stores that I purchase that I would have to have iTunes for to transfer on my iPod, despite the fact that I purchased them from another music store.
true, not all downloads are illegal, but cmon. if i'm giving my buddy a song, i'm illegally giving him the whole album. and everyone i know uses itunes anyway
Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
Still how often is this a real issue?
More often then you think, especially if you are a frequent traveler or live in a big city and frequent coffee shops, where you can get a lot of cool legal stuff from people.

This happened twice on my recent 5 day trip to DC, and fortunately for my buddy who's iPod wasn't able to copy a movie that my friend had made, my Napster player was, even though I didn't bring my cable. I ended up having to burn him a copy when we returned, as well as three demo tracks from my friends band. How 1990's that was…
so…if you want to copy movies, you should get something other than a ipod. i already have a portable harddrive and a laptop, i want a mp3 player
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
so…if you want to copy movies, you should get something other than a ipod. i already have a portable harddrive and a laptop, i want a mp3 player
You carry that portable HD around with you often? I'm guessing no. So when you have a 20GB hard drive on you that you do carry around, why can't it be flexible? I should be able to use a 20Gb device to do both, if I so choose. You may choose not to do that, and a lot of people do, but I should at least have the option, because, after all, I am the consumer and I spent the money on the product.

Why do I need to carry around a mini-hard drive and an MP3 player, when I have 8 GB of free space on my Mp3 player? I shouldn't, and the iPod is the only HD based player I have seen with these limitations. And the reason is iTunes.
if i'm going to the coffee shop with wifi i bring the laptop. if i have an mp3 player its filled to the max
and can't you store a .mov file on an ipod if you select 'use ipod as a storage device'?
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
if i'm going to the coffee shop with wifi i bring the laptop. if i have an mp3 player its filled to the max
Quality argument…that type of versatility is not useful to me, so why make it versatile for others? Do you work for Apple?

You know, it toook Apple over ten years and a 30% dip in market share before they allowed other printers to be hooked up to Apple computers. Versatility is important. Just not as important as marketing to Apple.

At least a few others on this board have seen the short sightedness and lack of versatility in the iPod. It's a great Music Player, and it's extremely well marketed - nobody has argued otherwise. But it lacks the versatility that makes other music players better. In my opinion, it's too wed to iTunes, and that affects it's versatility. Adding photos to an iPod is not going to change this - let me guess - iPhoto is required, right?
but the iriver is hardly seemless when interacting with osx. if you select 'use ipod as a storage device' i am pretty sure you can store any kind of file on the ipod anyway. wasn't the rumor that at one point, the complete masters of fellowship of the ring were stored on an ipod?
Originally posted by Darth Ed:
keithstg asked. Here's the answer:

Copying iPod music back to a computer:
http://www.ipodlounge.com/articles_more.php?id=5090_0_8_0_M
Thanks very much - that is great.
This is the best article I've seen on the new iPod.

October 28, 2004
STATE OF THE ART
The iPod's New Trick: Photo Show
By DAVID POGUE
The New York Times

SAN JOSE, Calif., Oct. 27 - All right, Apple. The iPod has 92 percent of the market for high-capacity music players. You sold two million of them in the last quarter alone. Your music store, whose songs play only on the iPod, has 70 percent of the online song sales market, and you've just rolled it out in 10 new countries.

What on earth do you do for an encore?

Apple revealed its answer Tuesday to an invited audience of journalists at a half demonstration, half U2 rock concert here: a new, top-of-the-line model that takes the iPod concept in a new direction that's simultaneously risky and overwhelmingly natural. Instead of just playing your music, this model also shows off your photos.

The iPod Photo, as it's called, looks and feels exactly like the existing iPod (it's one millimeter thicker). There's the famous white click wheel, there's the shiny chrome back panel, there are your fingerprints on it. But its two-inch screen is now in bright, crisp color.

The color screen is infinitely superior to the old black-and-white one, thanks in part to its new, sharper typeface. It makes a world of difference to built-in iPod programs like the calendar and the arcade games. It also shows the album's cover artwork when a song is playing.

But the real purpose of this screen is, of course, to display your digital pictures, which the iPod Photo automatically copies from your Mac or PC.

That stunt is brought to you by Version 4.7 of Apple's free iTunes jukebox software; you use it to specify a source for your photo collections. On the Macintosh, it's taken for granted that you use Apple's iPhoto software to organize your pictures; you can specify which albums (that is, subsets) you want synched to the iPod.

On a PC (Windows XP or 2000), you can sync the iPod with photo collections you've set up in Adobe Photoshop Elements or Photoshop Album, or with any pictures folder on your hard drive (like My Pictures).

Of course, a two-inch display isn't what you'd call a billboard; it's no bigger than the screen on the back of a digital camera. Fortunately, you can also connect the iPod Photo to a TV set by plugging the included iPod-white, three-headed audio-video cable into, of all things, the iPod's headphone jack. (There's also an S-video jack on its charging cradle.) This way, you can entertain the whole family with your little "Day in the Life of Me" presentation, as your handpicked music plays in the background.

As it turns out, the existing iPod's design, originally conceived for music, lends itself beautifully to photo shows.

For example, the functions of the click wheel's four buttons - Menu, Previous, Next and Play/Pause - apply just as naturally to slide shows. Ditto for the iPod's navigational system: the click wheel can breeze through the list of photo albums just as it does through music playlists. And running your finger around the wheel during a slide show adjusts the soundtrack volume just as it does during straight-ahead music playback.

In short, graduating from a traditional iPod to a color iPod involves virtually no relearning.

A kind of slide-sorter view displays 25 tiny pictures per screen; it's one way to pluck a certain photo from among the hundreds. Another is to spin the click wheel, which can page through full-screen photos astonishingly quickly and smoothly. They flicker past almost as though they're frames of film.

Here's another nice touch: When the iPod Photo is hooked up to a TV, your adoring fans see only the full-size photo on the TV screen. But you, captain of the iPod, see a tidy little command center on its screen: the current photo, flanked by thumbnails of the previous and next

ones. They provide a convenient crutch for narrating the show. ("O.K., see how cocky Chris looks here, going up the ski lift? Now I'll show you Chris five seconds later.")

And because you can see which photo is coming next, you'll never be caught in what veteran presenters call a "Now how'd that get in there?" moment.

Before shuttling your photos off to the iPod, the iTunes software does quite a bit of preprocessing, including scaling down your huge multimegapixel digital pictures to fit the iPod's two-inch screen. Because the resulting files are so tiny, Apple says that up to 25,000 of them can fit on the iPod Photo. (You can choose to include the full-resolution photos on the iPod's hard drive, too, which is handy when you want to transport them from one computer to another. In that case, of course, the iPod holds far fewer than 25,000.)

Unfortunately, all that processing adds a considerable amount of time to the synching process. On the Macintosh, the added delay is tolerable; you wait about 10 seconds for a dozen fresh pictures. But on Windows, synching is measured in minutes, not seconds. For best results, keep a stack of Popular Photography magazines next to your iPod cradle.

Photo fans should also note that the iPod's 220-by-176-pixel screen doesn't neatly accommodate pictures that have 4:3 proportions, or even 3:2 proportions (the standard aspect ratios of digital photos). Unless you care to crop each of your 25,000 photos before synching them to your iPod, be prepared to accept a subtle letterbox effect, a thin strip of black above and below each photo. (What the heck; the Bravo channel does it all the time.)

The iPod Photo comes in two models, both pricey. One, with a 40-gigabyte hard drive, costs $500, which is $100 more than its black-and-white counterpart. The other, with a new 60-gigabyte drive, goes for $600.

Both models, despite the color screen, somehow manage to provide about 25 percent longer battery life than their predecessors: 15 hours of music playback, or five hours of slide shows with music. ("Which is probably more than your friends will watch," added Steve Jobs, Apple's chief.)

So, yes, the iPod Photo is beautifully done. But within hours of its unveiling, iPod cynics were asking some hard-nosed questions online. Why can't you download your pictures onto this thing straight from a digital camera? Why do you have to use iTunes, a music program, to manage the photo loading? And, inevitably: Why can't it play video?

After all, for the same $500, you can buy a Windows Mobile Portable Media Center that plays not only music and photos, but videos too. (Of course, its hard drive holds only half as much as the iPod Photo's, you can't use it to record your own TV shows, and it's three times the size of an iPod. But still.)

These are rational questions. And if you're among those baffled by the iPod's appeal, well, consider yourself lucky. You won't find anything as beautiful, as polished or as simple to master, but you may well find a rival with more features or a lower price.

(And if you are in that category, you'll definitely want to avoid the striking new iPod U2 Edition, also unveiled this week. It's a traditional, 20-gigabyte, music-only iPod with a shiny black face, a red click wheel and the four U2 band members' signatures laser-etched onto the back panel. And it costs $350, which is $50 more than a regular white iPod.)

But as about six million people now know, buying an iPod isn't a rational decision. It appeals to people's emotions, their creativity, and even their vanity. It's not a machine, it's a personal accessory. In fact, it's practically jewelry.

That's why the iPod Photo makes so much sense. The iPod has always played your songs, in your chosen sequence, at a volume only you can hear; now it also shows snapshots of your life, friends and memories. In other words, Apple has found a way to make the iPod even more expressive, individualized and personal. Rational, schmational - get me on the waiting list.


E-mail: Pogue@nytimes.com