Emergency Curfew Legislation in DC

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
What percentage of the population, outside of retail workers, are working until 10 pm?

The hard-working, pelvic-thrusting sector of the Americana known as, ahem, "female pole specialists." :D

Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:

Originally posted by Graace:
Bombay Chutney, please!

First of all - I agree with most of your points and I think the whole thing is a bad idea.

But if the current curfew is already set to midnight, why would a one-hour change result in starting/ending shows 3 hours earlier? Just roll back the start times by one hour. Trust me - hipsters are perfectly capable of drinking at 8pm on a weekend. They'll sell plenty of alcohol.

According to dcist, this is the same thing they did last summer - extended to 17 year-olds. Is that true? If so, why is it the end of the world this year?

My understanding is that the new enforcement of the curfew by ABC officials is the big change in the policy.

Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
If the clubs are that concerned about all-ages shows - start them an hour earlier.

I'm 35 and I'd be down with that! Why not start them at 8 pm…even better! I don't really understand why shows start so late in general. (sorry, my comment is a little late in reading the rest of the thread, I just hate late shows where I have to wait through hours of lame openers to see my band at 11:30 or something)

i frequently work until 10, 11 at night and i have a professional job (despite the handle, not as a hooker or stripper)

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
What percentage of the population, outside of retail workers, are working until 10 pm?

Originally posted by Graace:

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Why is moving shows to an earlier time not conducive to selling alcohol? Are there really that many people who wait for the stroke of midnight and say to themselves, "Oh wow, time to start drinking."?

People work, can't get there in time, etc. The good thing about later start times for clubs is the availability of the alcohol drinking clientele.

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
What percentage of the population, outside of retail workers, are working until 10 pm?

lawyers, tons and tons of lawyers

and doesn't the dc area have the most lawyers per capita in the country?

Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:

Originally posted by Graace:
Bombay Chutney, please!

First of all - I agree with most of your points and I think the whole thing is a bad idea.

But if the current curfew is already set to midnight, why would a one-hour change result in starting/ending shows 3 hours earlier? Just roll back the start times by one hour. Trust me - hipsters are perfectly capable of drinking at 8pm on a weekend. They'll sell plenty of alcohol.

According to dcist, this is the same thing they did last summer - extended to 17 year-olds. Is that true? If so, why is it the end of the world this year?

They did roll it back last summer, but it was specifically just for the summer. I had to rush home from Fort Reno each week. But nobody explicitly came out and said "hey, we're going to enforce this." There is a year-round curfew in the district that is slightly later than the provision suggested, except it is not enforced at all in clubs. When they start telling us they're going to enforce curfew, AND furthermore, it's going to be later…we're in trouble.

Though we've defeated this one, I suspect this won't be the last time they'll attempt to take away our shows. This was a really sneaky, roundabout way of attempting to do it again…


and *NOTE* how NO steps have been taken thus far to actually lessen the violence in these neighborhoods! oh, fascinating! what a logical bunch.

Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
What percentage of the population, outside of retail workers, are working until 10 pm?

lawyers, tons and tons of lawyers

and doesn't the dc area have the most lawyers per capita in the country?

yes. god bless bethesda.

i don't understand how they enforce these things. even if that curfew were enacted for the summer; say i'm at a show… they're going to let me in because doors are at 8 or whatever and maybe i'm in the front and it's a packed show, at 11 are the cops just gonna bust in and start checking ids? will i get a special minor stamp or something?
and on the streets? do cops just go up to people that look young?

Originally posted by slowgraffiti:
i don't understand how they enforce these things.

The real purpose of laws like these are to allow cops to question/detain/"investigate" but not necessarily search anbody who looks like they are under the specified age. If you are over the age, they send you on your way, if you are not, they take you home. They tend to focus on kids loitering, not necessarily those who are indoors or those who are not travelling in large groups heading from one place to the next.

The ABC enforcement provision is a whole new twist and I have no idea how they would enforce that. In my experience, ABC rarely did a sweep of a bar in DC - it was always DC's finest. ABC was always the sting type authority where an obviously overage guy who works for ABC would come in with a girl who looked at least 21 but in reality wasn't, and the bartender would get busted for serving the girl.

Anyhow, purely academic now that it was defeated.

Do lawyers make up a large percentage of the Black Cat clientele?

Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
What percentage of the population, outside of retail workers, are working until 10 pm?

lawyers, tons and tons of lawyers

and doesn't the dc area have the most lawyers per capita in the country?

Originally posted by allmy$to930:
Who, do you think, will the kids be safe from via this curfew?

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Originally posted by Surly Bonds:

Originally posted by allmy$to930:
Who, do you think, will the kids be safe from via this curfew?

dupek, you want us to take you seriously… then you blatantly lie. allmy$to930 didn't ask that question, YOU DID. so you're replying to your own post hoping no one would notice. nice try, i guess being honest is too much of a stretch for ya.

or are you telling us that you also post under the name "allmy$to930"? sweet.

Did you figure that one out all by yourself, or did you have to Google it?

Personally, I think you possess "The Right Stuff" to be a moderator. You sure are nosy as hell.

Originally posted by sweetcell:

Originally posted by Surly Bonds:

Originally posted by allmy$to930:
Who, do you think, will the kids be safe from via this curfew?
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dupek, you want us to take you seriously… then you blatantly lie. allmy$to930 didn't ask that question, YOU DID. so you're replying to your own post hoping no one would notice. nice try, i guess being honest is too much of a stretch for ya.

or are you telling us that you also post under the name "allmy$to930"? sweet.

this, my friend, is what is known as an inconvenient truth. pointing out your very public yet poorly-thought-out stratagem is "nosey"? i'm not here to moderate, but i'm happy to call you out when you're dishonest. you portray yourself as persecuted… yet time and time again, you set up your own crucifiction. it's hard to take you seriously when you do that.

Originally posted by sweetcell:
this, my friend, is what is known as an inconvenient truth.

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Originally posted by sweetcell:

Originally posted by Surly Bonds:

Originally posted by allmy$to930:
Who, do you think, will the kids be safe from via this curfew?

dupek, you want us to take you seriously… then you blatantly lie. allmy$to930 didn't ask that question, YOU DID. so you're replying to your own post hoping no one would notice. nice try, i guess being honest is too much of a stretch for ya.

or are you telling us that you also post under the name "allmy$to930"? sweet.

Nice one.

Originally posted by sweetcell:
this, my friend, is what is known as an inconvenient truth. pointing out your very public yet poorly-thought-out stratagem is "nosey"? i'm not here to moderate, but i'm happy to call you out when you're dishonest. you portray yourself as persecuted… yet time and time again, you set up your own crucifiction. it's hard to take you seriously when you do that.

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
nos·y /ˈnoʊzi/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[noh-zee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
â??adjective, nos·i·er, nos·i·est. unduly curious about the affairs of others; prying; meddlesome.

As in: sweetysell is a nosy nanny.

ah, thanks for the clarification…

falling for your race-baiting = acceptable. pointing out the blatant flaws in your "arguments" = nosey. how convenient. how was i "unduly curious about the affairs of others", when this affair in question was a puiblic posting - to all, including me? you lied to everyone, you lied to me, and i pointed it out. this was not a private message, or something you were trying to pass off in private. you were busted, and now you're trying to weasel your way out of it.

dupey, might be time to grow up and accept it. oh, wait.