Things I learned at Bumbershoot

1. I hate drums and drum circles
2. I really do prefer roots and Americana to art-rock and emo
3. I'm tired of Rhett Miller's solo show, as much as I like him
4. People in Seattle dress like punks and hippies to conform, not to rebel
5. Most teenage girls have bigger tits than me
6. White people really can't dance

Originally posted by Celeste:
1. I hate drums and drum circles
2. I really do prefer roots and Americana to art-rock and emo
3. I'm tired of Rhett Miller's solo show, as much as I like him
4. People in Seattle dress like punks and hippies to conform, not to rebel
5. Most teenage girls have bigger tits than me
6. White people really can't dance

1. Definitely mood music.
2. Depending on the band, I'd probably have to agree with you on that one. *(See comments below.)
3. No comment. I'm in no position to know but can understand.
4. It took you that long to figure that out!!!!?????
5. It's the chicken and the milk. All of those hormones they feed the chickens and the cows.
6. That's not true…..but there is a larger percentage of White people who can't dance as oppossed to Blacks.

I do not have a clue what "emo" is supposed to identify. Apparently Dismemberment Plan are emo. And Get Up Kids are emo. And At the Drive-In, and Jimmy Eat World. ???

I hear you on the Seattle dress…it's a very fine line between rebelling and conforming.

The art-rock term is the one that sometimes throws me. I was thinking in terms of the really sloppy art school type of bands who are just learning to plan with their insturments. Then I realized that sometimes there are some very good bands who sometimes fall in that category such as Roxy Music or even King Crimson who are superb.

Well, maybe I got the "emo" and "art-rock" tags wrong…I DO like Death Cab, but Minus the Bear and The Pale were two bands specifically that we saw that I would call at least emo-ish that were pretty weak.

As far as "art-rock" in this case, I'd be referring to the Dandy Warhols…

Overall, for the acts we were able to see, Bobby Bare, Jr.'s band, Mary Lou Lord and Grey DeLisle were the best…I was really surprised I like Bare and Mary Lou lord so much.

Originally posted by Celeste:
Well, maybe I got the "emo" and "art-rock" tags wrong…I DO like Death Cab, but Minus the Bear and The Pale were two bands specifically that we saw that I would call at least emo-ish that were pretty weak.

As far as "art-rock" in this case, I'd be referring to the Dandy Warhols…

Overall, for the acts we were able to see, Bobby Bare, Jr.'s band, Mary Lou Lord and Grey DeLisle were the best…I was really surprised I like Bare and Mary Lou lord so much.

Then I must alter #2. Give me art-rock anyday over all of those genres mentioned but Emo sucks….in my opinion.

I think bands like the D-Plan can beat the emo tag…I'd put them and Minus the Bear in a different group than Jimmy Eat World (ie punk/art vs punk/pop). Plus emo is (by definition?) whiny. See Dashboard Confessional for more info.

I love the Dandys, but I don't think of them as art rock. They're pretty conventional in a lot of ways, and certainly not cerebral…more indie party music than college rock.

hey Celeste,

who wants big saggy tits anyway, well apart from me ;)

<before Mankie says it, yes I am a big tit>

why didnt you like the dandy warhols?

They have been lots of things, stupid, psychadelic, rock, pop, pretentious, fucked off of their faces, but never art rock.

Originally posted by Celeste:
1. I hate drums and drum circles
2. I really do prefer roots and Americana to art-rock and emo
3. I'm tired of Rhett Miller's solo show, as much as I like him
4. People in Seattle dress like punks and hippies to conform, not to rebel
5. Most teenage girls have bigger tits than me
6. White people really can't dance

yeah, who likes drums anyway.

I think Rhett would fit right in, actually, isnt that him in the back, middle, rightish, standing up playing his drum?

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The one with the tits?

Originally posted by Celeste:
1. I hate drums and drum circles
2. I really do prefer roots and Americana to art-rock and emo
3. I'm tired of Rhett Miller, as much as I like him, I want a divorce
4. People in Seattle dress like punks and hippies to conform, not to rebel
5. Most teenage girls have bigger tits than me
6. White people really can't dance

divorce already? sad times.

drums are not bad, but drum circles are pure, unadulterated evil. i hate them with a passion.

art-rock and emo are so overused, misguided and too defining that i try not to slap those terms on bands unless im' being wryly sarcastic in making fun of them. remember - rites of spring was one of the first true "emo" bands, and look how they sounded.

as much chicken as i have eaten, i dont think i have breasts that are monumental (like the masticized utters that poor dairy farm cows live with.) but i take that into my favor, as i won't have killing back pain or too much sagging skin to deal with as i age.

i am so bored it's insane.

Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
hey Celeste,

who wants big saggy tits anyway, well apart from me ;)

&lt;before Mankie says it, yes I am a big tit&gt;

why didnt you like the dandy warhols?

They have been lots of things, stupid, psychadelic, rock, pop, pretentious, fucked off of their faces, but never art rock.

well, I wasn't griping about the bigger tits, I was just making an observation…I enjoy my relative increased mobility and savings on undergarments because of my tighter packaging…anyhoo…on to the Warhols…

I thought I could call them art tock because they seem to have that velvet underground, ambient experimental ooziness to their show…I'm probably speaking of that which I know very little…but, I'll say this…they did a 45 minute obnoxious sound check, and then just cranked their shit so incredibly loud that I couldn't even be in the same exhbition hall with earplugs in and stand it (and I'm fairly tolerant for loud music) I was really looking forward to their show because I kindof can dig their poppy songs that actually have a verse chorus verse thing going on and I can follow…but their set was like all vibes and stuff for as long as I could stand to stay there…kinda like the same deal as the latest Yo La Tengo, which I also could not bear…oh well…maybe I'm just getting old…at least my small tits won't sag

There's a great afro-caribbean drum circle in the park right next to my apartment that meets up every Sunday. I can hear them when I open up my windows. They tend to go for about 6 hours. It takes them about an hour to lock in, but once they get going it's damn near inspirational. Drum circles are good if the people truly know the rhythms.

Originally posted by thirsty moore:
There's a great afro-caribbean drum circle in the park right next to my apartment that meets up every Sunday. I can hear them when I open up my windows. They tend to go for about 6 hours. It takes them about an hour to lock in, but once they get going it's damn near inspirational. Drum circles are good if the people truly know the rhythms.

agreed. but don't quote me on that.

Originally posted by thirsty moore:
There's a great afro-caribbean drum circle in the park right next to my apartment that meets up every Sunday. I can hear them when I open up my windows. They tend to go for about 6 hours. It takes them about an hour to lock in, but once they get going it's damn near inspirational. Drum circles are good if the people truly know the rhythms.

Yeah Thirsty, well all know that you are really in church and it just takes a couple hours for you to start rolling in the aisles. :D

Originally posted by Celeste:
1. I hate drums and drum circles
2. I really do prefer roots and Americana to art-rock and emo
3. I'm tired of Rhett Miller's solo show, as much as I like him
4. People in Seattle dress like punks and hippies to conform, not to rebel
5. Most teenage girls have bigger tits than me
6. White people really can't dance

1. I agree, but I bet it's fun to be playing in one.
2. It's a scarf thing, you wouldn't understand!
3. No comment
4. Maybe we should call it Sheepattle!
5. Tits, aren't everything. I bet you're still cuter.
6. It's white Americans that can't dance…well, and me of course, but I probably lost my dance skills when I took the pledge of allegiance.


The Dandy Warhols…I gave them a listen but the singers voice pissed me off by the middle of the third song. Why does he sing like he's doing that loud whispering thing?

Originally posted by Jaguär:
The one with the tits?

Well that certainly wouldn't be Celeste…evidently!

Originally posted by Celeste:
3. I'm tired of Rhett Miller

Welcome to the club.