kosmo
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Re: Nirvana song named best of past 25 years
June 11, 2003 at 03:54 PM UTC
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actually i disagree about nirvana not changing anything. like the sex pistols who helped put an end to 70's art wank of yes, elo, etc. nirvana helped put an end to the 80's hair metal. they came out and proved that you didn't need puffed up hair, vinyl pants and eyeliner to rock out. just wearing what you put on that morning was fine.
Nirvana were never a grunge band, they were much more punk and pop, then the grunge bands from the pacific northwest which were Soundgarden, Pearl Jam and Mother Love Bone.
Grohl has done some great work post Nirvana, but I would not consider his Foo Fighters stuff stellar and rather just a pale imitation of the Nirvana. Most of the records are filler with the occasional single. And his lyrics are pretty subpar… anyone remember "Fingernails are Pretty, Fingernails are Good, Seems That All They Ever Wanted Was A Marking " from one of that bands first singles?
Rhett Miller
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Re: Nirvana song named best of past 25 years
June 11, 2003 at 03:56 PM UTC
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Once again, I'm in agreement with Kosmo.
Originally posted by kosmo:
actually i disagree about nirvana not changing anything. like the sex pistols who helped put an end to 70's art wank of yes, elo, etc. nirvana helped put an end to the 80's hair metal. they came out and proved that you didn't need puffed up hair, vinyl pants and eyeliner to rock out. just wearing what you put on that morning was fine.
Nirvana were never a grunge band, they were much more punk and pop, then the grunge bands from the pacific northwest which were Soundgarden, Pearl Jam and Mother Love Bone.
Grohl has done some great work post Nirvana, but I would not consider his Foo Fighters stuff stellar and rather just a pale imitation of the Nirvana. Most of the records are filler with the occasional single. And his lyrics are pretty subpar… anyone remember "Fingernails are Pretty, Fingernails are Good, Seems That All They Ever Wanted Was A Marking " from one of that bands first singles?
kosmo
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Re: Nirvana song named best of past 25 years
June 11, 2003 at 04:03 PM UTC
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foo fighter - the lager louts = oasis
Rhett Miller
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Re: Nirvana song named best of past 25 years
June 11, 2003 at 04:08 PM UTC
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Given who VH-1 is, the selection comes as no surprise.
Who did you guys think they were going to pick? Some Mother Love Bone song? Some Guided By Voices song.
That Nirvana song was instrumental in introducing "alternative rock" to the mainstream. Did alternative rock and alternative radio go downhill after that? I would argue yes. Once something is introduced to the mainstream the bojective switches from making something for the sake of the art to making something for the sake of the sale.
kosmo
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Re: Nirvana song named best of past 25 years
June 11, 2003 at 04:19 PM UTC
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doh… still got the polyphonic spree bouncing around in my head.. that and all my teachers said i didn't pay attention to detail.
keithstg
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Re: Nirvana song named best of past 25 years
June 11, 2003 at 04:21 PM UTC
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Originally posted by kosmo:
actually i disagree about nirvana not changing anything. like the sex pistols who helped put an end to 70's art wank of yes, elo, etc. nirvana helped put an end to the 80's hair metal. they came out and proved that you didn't need puffed up hair, vinyl pants and eyeliner to rock out. just wearing what you put on that morning was fine.
Nirvana were never a grunge band, they were much more punk and pop, then the grunge bands from the pacific northwest which were Soundgarden, Pearl Jam and Mother Love Bone.
Grohl has done some great work post Nirvana, but I would not consider his Foo Fighters stuff stellar and rather just a pale imitation of the Nirvana. Most of the records are filler with the occasional single. And his lyrics are pretty subpar… anyone remember "Fingernails are Pretty, Fingernails are Good, Seems That All They Ever Wanted Was A Marking " from one of that bands first singles?
Sure, Nirvana may have brought people away from hair bands, but ultimately I think that they failed to produce anything that had not been done, and done better, before.
Rhett Miller
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Re: Nirvana song named best of past 25 years
June 11, 2003 at 04:24 PM UTC
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Ok, then what would be your top 5 songs post 1978 and pre-Nirvana?
Sure, Nirvana may have brought people away from hair bands, but ultimately I think that they failed to produce anything that had not been done, and done better, before. [/QB]
kosmo
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Re: Nirvana song named best of past 25 years
June 11, 2003 at 04:39 PM UTC
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well i think axl not nirvana brought g n' r down…
Rhett Miller
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Re: Nirvana song named best of past 25 years
June 11, 2003 at 04:46 PM UTC
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I don't think Kurt Cobain had mainstream success and record sales as his primary goal when he wrote "Smells Like Teen Spirit". Certainly no more than Husker Du, The Replacements, the Pixies, or whoever else preceded them.
Whatever you think of Guns and Roses, I think it's sort of silly to lunp them in with hair metal bands. I'm not the biggest GNR fan in the world, but I think they themselves started a musical move away from hair metal fluff.
Of "Smells Like Teen Spirit," Guns N' Roses bassist Duff McKagan said: "That was really a breakthrough for a great scene that had been going on for a long time up in Seattle. And it was kind of another victory, I think, for a misunderstood music, you know. The dam broke when 'Teen Spirit' came out."
Rhett Miller
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Re: Nirvana song named best of past 25 years
June 11, 2003 at 04:48 PM UTC
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Why? What harm is he doing to any of us these days?
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by kosmo:
well i think axl not nirvana brought g n' r down…
It's a shame Axl didn't blow his own brains out as well.
keithstg
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Re: Nirvana song named best of past 25 years
June 11, 2003 at 04:59 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Ok, then what would be your top 5 songs post 1978 and pre-Nirvana?
Sure, Nirvana may have brought people away from hair bands, but ultimately I think that they failed to produce anything that had not been done, and done better, before.
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Briefly, and without checking dates (I think TV might have been 1977)
1. Marquee Moon - TV
2. What do I get - Buzzcocks
3. In My Eyes - Minor Threat
4. Miserable Lie - The Smiths
5. China Girl - Bowie
I don't mean to imply that any of these songs would have been on VH1's number one list, but Nirvana as a whole I feel is horribly overrated.
mankie
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Re: Nirvana song named best of past 25 years
June 11, 2003 at 05:15 PM UTC
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I gave myself 5 minutes to come up with 5 important songs, post 78 and pre Nirvana.
Here's what I came with.
Heroes - Bowie
London Calling - The Clash
Whole of the Moon - The Waterboys
Pretty in Pink - Psychadelic Furs
Song for Whoever - The Beautiful South
I know there's no American bands up there, that was not intentional. Remember, I was living in UK up until 85, and I was just seeing what would come to me immediately.
markie
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Re: Nirvana song named best of past 25 years
June 11, 2003 at 05:28 PM UTC
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perhaps there are songs by bands such as
Jam
Smiths
Stone Roses
Happy Mondays
Blur
New Order/Joy Division
The Fall
Oasis (just for Fico)
Oh and maybe some rap acts…..
that a lot of people have forgotten
Mankie sheep by the housemartins would have made a much less twee choice than the BS.
bags
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Re: Nirvana song named best of past 25 years
June 11, 2003 at 05:56 PM UTC
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Originally posted by kosmo:
foo fighter - the lager louts = oasis
That is just plain nuts! Many bands have Oasis living deep down in their souls, but not Foo Fighters.
We all have guilty pleasures (though I feel no guilt *whatsoever*).