iPod Jukebox @ St. Ex roll-call

yeah. i actually had my mp3 player (nomad jukebox zen xtra 30gb) somehow refuse to recharge one day, and i had to scramble to back it up before the battery went dead, which almost worked. luckily the friendly creative nomad folks sent me a new one for free, but i still every now and then have a hankering to listen to some obscure song only to realize it was on my old player and didn't make it to the new one.

i, on the other hand, really hate shuffle. i mean, if you pull up a genre and shuffle it, that's fine. but something about weird war -> miles davis -> le tigre -> heavy d -> erasure -> brahms just doesn't cut it, and ends up pissing me off.
http://www.micropop.net
That's basically the playlist of the new MPR radio station…minus the Brahms. I love it, though.
Originally posted by bellenseb:
That's basically the playlist of the new MPR radio station…minus the Brahms. I love it, though.
woah. ok, so they are many great songs on that playlist, but they don't belong together at all.

perhaps i'm the only person left that thinks that sometimes i'm in the mood for slower, emoer and sometimes i like oldschool punkrock, but i never mix 'em. never.
Originally posted by bellenseb:
I do create playlists of my favorites, but I'd like everything on there for a few reasons…

1) Sometimes I like to listen to everything on shuffle, and the bigger the shuffle pool the better. If I just have my favorites on there, I'll never discover new favorites via shuffle.

2) I want to have a backup of all the music on my hard drive. Hard drives fail all the time and I don't want to spend hours and hours reripping.

3) Sometimes you just want to hear that one song or album, and who knows what it'll be.
i agree with all of the above, but when I went through the process of rating every song I have, I found that for many albums I would only want to listen to maybe half of the songs again (sometimes less), so I rated them 4 stars, and the mediocre ones 3 stars, and the rare gem 5 stars (2 stars go to rap "skits" and musical segues, 1 stars go to repeat songs I have from compilations and albums) …

that way you can just put your 4 and 5 star songs on your mp3 player (which ends up being a lot of tunes) and do a huge shuffle of tons and tons of songs, and you know you actually want to hear everything that comes up … if you rate something lower than the 4, you just realize that you don't want to hear it again, unless you're listening to the whole album …
well i'm certainly not going to try to carry around my entire collection on an mp3. and i really don't want to dj an entire set with an mp3 player, partly because i like being able to flip quickly a stack of cds verses scrolling around on an database. choosing songs is partly based on seeing the cd artwork, etc since the exact song title i might be thinking of isn't right there. it's also good to be able to preview a song…

what i'm looking for in an mp3 right now, is something i can easily transfer new music to for audition purposes without having to burn a cdrw. including new cd purchases, mp3s from blogs, band sites, internet archive. the flac feature is of interest since thats the preferred way to distribute a live show. for instance a recent colin meloy show i downloaded would be great to load on an mp3 player without having to convert the files. it's something i would listen to once maybe twice and trash, why go to the hassle of conversion.
Speaking of Colin Meloy, the Morrissey tour CD is going for as much as $100 on ebay… !
Originally posted by bellenseb:
Speaking of Colin Meloy, the Morrissey tour CD is going for as much as $100 on ebay… !
Apparently he has written a book also.

33 1/3 - Let it Be
Originally posted by bellenseb:
Speaking of Colin Meloy, the Morrissey tour CD is going for as much as $100 on ebay… !
jeeeeeesus … i have an original copy sitting right here … hmmmmmmmmmmm
Originally posted by bellenseb:
Or lazy-journalism hating…
Daily Candy LA
Hollywood and Vain

Sometimes those nights at Spaceland leave you feeling a little solipsistic. Sure, you love indie rock as much as the cast of The O.C., but occasionally you tire of staring at your Converse and mulling over your latest relationship crash-and-burn.

You have an unexplainable yen for something more … obvious. More … empty. More … Robert Downey, Jr.?

If that's the case, get yourself to the China Club Pro Jam at the new Vine Street Lounge. Every Monday night L.A.'s best (and most behind-the-scenes) studio musicians play â?? usually with a secret celeb performer. We can't tell you who's coming up, but let's put it this way: Our town's cutest ne'er-do-well played last week.

The vibe is Jessica Simpson meets Barbarella: contemporary banquettes with white tufted vinyl, reserve-bottle service, and an enormous bed in the VIP lounge. (Jeez, what could they have in mind?) If you get hungry, pop next door to the Hollywood and Vine Restaurant, where they make a great cheeseburger and fries.

The biggest draw? With all the overblown egos in the room, your own self-involvement won't even make it through the door.


Vine Street Lounge, 1708 Vine Street, at Hollywood Boulevard, Hollywood
Originally posted by Frosty The Swami:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Has anyone actually seen one of these mythical iPod shuffles?

I see ads for them every day, but no stores stock them and Apple.com says there is a 3-4 week wait.
I actually managed to get a 1GB iPod shuffle – I was at the UMBC bookstore for another reason and they had them in stock.

It pretty much lives up to the hype: tiny, light, holds a LOT of music. I've put 4 hour-plus playlists on it and still have plenty of room to spare. It's perfect for the gym, it'd definitely be great for snowboarding, skiing, etc.
I bought one for a friend of mine… received it in the mail last week. Yep, it is pretty damn cool.. gonna have to get one myself. The regular iPod just doesn't cut it if you want to use it for running with. Not having the screen is a bit annoying first, but if you know all the music you're putting on it anyway, you stop caring.
Originally posted by My Cat Can DJ:
I bought one for a friend of mine… received it in the mail last week. Yep, it is pretty damn cool.. gonna have to get one myself. The regular iPod just doesn't cut it if you want to use it for running with. Not having the screen is a bit annoying first, but if you know all the music you're putting on it anyway, you stop caring.
how does the shuffle / random software work? if i ask it to load songs from a playlist that is larger than the capacity of the ipod, does it pick them randomly? that would be kind of fun, just load up your shuffle with a new genre (or decade) every day and let it pick
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
Originally posted by My Cat Can DJ:
I bought one for a friend of mine… received it in the mail last week. Yep, it is pretty damn cool.. gonna have to get one myself. The regular iPod just doesn't cut it if you want to use it for running with. Not having the screen is a bit annoying first, but if you know all the music you're putting on it anyway, you stop caring.
how does the shuffle / random software work? if i ask it to load songs from a playlist that is larger than the capacity of the ipod, does it pick them randomly? that would be kind of fun, just load up your shuffle with a new genre (or decade) every day and let it pick
Sadly, I don't think so… it uses iTunes just like any old iPod. If you tried to load too big a playlist, it probably just wouldn't. I'll try it tonight to be sure.
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
Originally posted by My Cat Can DJ:
I bought one for a friend of mine… received it in the mail last week. Yep, it is pretty damn cool.. gonna have to get one myself. The regular iPod just doesn't cut it if you want to use it for running with. Not having the screen is a bit annoying first, but if you know all the music you're putting on it anyway, you stop caring.
how does the shuffle / random software work? if i ask it to load songs from a playlist that is larger than the capacity of the ipod, does it pick them randomly? that would be kind of fun, just load up your shuffle with a new genre (or decade) every day and let it pick
just got an iPod Shuffle as a v-day gift…it's really nifty. yes…you can just load randomly from all of the songs on your iTunes. we have a few thousand on our computer so i just plugged the little guy into one of the USB ports and hit the autofill button. you can also handpick the tunes/podcasts/files you want to save. if you have a regular iPod, you'll notice that it takes a bit longer to transfer since it's not a firewire connection but, other than that, i'm definitely in love.
warning: this article was as cheesy and as filled with paranthetical explanations for the suburbanites / baby boomers as i expected … it's like "young people voyeurism", but some people who are completely out of touch really get off on this stuff, which probably explains why its on A1

washingtonpost.com
Downloaded and Ready to Rock
iPod Nights Turn Amateurs Into Digital DJs at D.C. Club

By Jose Antonio Vargas
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, February 25, 2005; Page A01

The DJ who calls himself P.Vo is very pleased with himself. Two dozen or so clubgoers at Gate 54, the basement lounge at Cafe Saint-Ex in Northwest Washington, are stumped. They're wondering what P.Vo is playing.

Is that Nine Inch Nails and the Bee Gees? "Closer" on top of "Staying Alive"?

P.Vo, taking a sip of rum and Coke, asks: "Where else can you hear this?"

It's 9:20 p.m. on a recent Wednesday. P.Vo, known by day as Paul Vodra, is the first of 21 DJs – ahead of Seeking Irony and Weird Curves – who will play at this city's version of an iPod DJ party. On this night, the most popular MP3 player, the iPod, serves as the lounge's source of music, roughly three songs at a time. No turntables. No vinyl. Bring an iPod. Be the DJ. Please sign your DJ name on the white board in the front.

P.Vo downloaded the Nine Inch Nails and Bee Gees song – a mashup, two songs mixed into one – from a peer-to-peer software program called SoulSeek. He's blasting it from his iPod, which is hooked up to six speakers: two in the front, near the bar; two in the middle, where clubgoers are dancing; the remaining two in the back, in front of a poster for the film "La Dolce Vita." Here, amid the industrial look of the lounge – with Christmas lights for an added touch – Vodra, a 29-year-old software programmer from Arlington, transforms into P.Vo, an iPod impresario who mixes Missy Elliott with George Michael to come up with a song he calls "Get Your Faith On."

The iPod Jukebox night, held at Cafe Saint-Ex every second Wednesday of the month, attracts mostly white-collar types in their twenties and thirties who heard about it from a friend of a friend, or read about it in a link to a blog. It's perhaps the most public manifestation of how the iPod – with 8.2 million units sold in 2004, more than 5 million during the holiday season alone – has gone mainstream, spawning an entire iPod culture that goes far beyond wearing those distinctive white earphones.

There are professional "iPod loaders" who will fill your iPod with music; "iPod jacking" sessions where owners swap iPods to check out one another's playlists; "podcasts" where you, as a wine connoisseur, for example, can upload a 17-minute rumination on the glories of a 1953 Chateau Petrus so other wine connoisseurs can download it to their iPods; and sites such as iPodlounge.com, not at all affiliated with Apple Computer, to keep you updated on what's new in the iPod universe.

If your iPod allows you to keep your whole CD collection in your jacket pocket, then the iPod DJ night allows you to show off your music, karaoke-style.

"In the next year, more and more clubs are going to have a night like this," says Kathryn Wildt, 28, taking a breather from her evening's responsibilities. The Bollywood version of "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough" – titled "Don't Stop 'Til You Get to Bollywood" – plays in the background.

Wildt, a researcher at the National Institutes of Health, co-founded iPod Jukebox in April 2004 and keeps it moving along, one DJ at a time. (Fritz Hahn, who covers nightlife for washingtonpost.com, is the other founder.) Wildt bought her iPod "a year and five months ago," she says, and calls it "Gayle." ("I just thought it looked like a Gayle. My computer doesn't have a name, but for some reason this one has a name." She's not the only one in the lounge to give her iPod a name. Holly Tegeler, 24, calls her iPod Karl, with a K. "I knew he was a boy," says Tegeler, a Web developer. "I don't know why, I just know he is.")

Cafe Saint-Ex doesn't host the only iPod DJ night – add the Hi Hat Lounge & Garage on the East Side of Milwaukee, APT in New York City's meatpacking district and Tonic Room in Chicago's Lincoln Park area, among others, to the growing list.

You can catch this kind of party across the Atlantic, too. Charlie Gower, an event promoter, has so far helped organize more than 25 iPod DJ nights in London since July 2003. Over there they're called "noWax" (meaning "no vinyl") nights.

"It's a democratic thing, really," Gower, via phone from London, says of noWax nights. The 28-year-old co-founded noWax.co.uk and works as a recruiter for Sense Worldwide, a research company. "What's true in every case of the iPod DJ party or noWax night – different clubs do it different ways – is that everybody who comes to the club loves to play to the crowd," continues Gower, who checked out the iPod DJ night at New York's APT last year. "Just like what Andy Warhol said, they love their 15 minutes of fame."

Or, more specifically, 12 minutes of fame, which is what you're given at iPod Jukebox. It's currently so busy that no repeats, meaning DJs going for a second showcase, are allowed.

Natalya Minkovsky (aka Seeking Irony) and Melissa Gilmore (aka Weird Curves) are iPod Jukebox regulars. They've been coming since October, usually staying until 12:30 a.m. "We've got 9-to-5 jobs," they say. "We can't stay until last call." Minkovsky, a 25-year-old marketing writer, got her iPod as a birthday present. (Tonya, her mom, knitted her an iPod cozy.) Gilmore, a 29-year-old grants manager, got her iPod in April 2004. It's 10:45 p.m. and they're waiting for their turns, drinking greyhounds (vodka and grapefruit juice).

Minkovsky likes to play indie pop. Gilmore, too. "But it's electronica tonight," says Gilmore. "I think it's great that individuals represent themselves for 12 minutes," she continues. "I picked my playlist before I left. Something silly. One night I played a song about cheese."

Why?

"Because I'm addicted to cheese." (The song, Gilmore says later, is "Addicted to Cheese" by the Evaporators.)

Michael Benson, the owner of Cafe Saint-Ex, has an iPod with close to 7,000 songs in it. "If you're a big music fan, you're limited to satellite radio and the Internet to find out what's new out there, what's cutting-edge music," says Benson, 38. The playlists from previous Jukebox nights are nothing like the top 100 Billboard singles or the top 100 downloads on iTunes.

"In a night like tonight, someone could be playing something and someone could come in and say, 'Hey, where'd you get that from?' There's an incredible diversity, from twang country to trip-hop" – psychedelic hip-hop – "and one of the things you notice about iPod night is a lot of people take notes of the music that's being played."

Jeff Wotowiec, standing at the other end of the bar, is taking notes.

Wotowiec is visibly nervous – he isn't sure if his type of music would fit in. "So far, it's all been dance music," says the 26-year-old graphic designer from Arlington. He wants to play "some country," "some movie quotes" – dialogue from "Tommy Boy" or "So I Married an Axe Murderer." But, he asks, "what if no one likes it?"

Sure, there's an intimate feel to the lounge, a friendly, down-to-earth vibe. Still, there's always someone like Paul Straka who sneers upon hearing "Pieces of Me," not Ashlee Simpson's, but the cut from the local go-go band Rare Essence.

"Listen to this awful, awful music," says the 28-year-old computer programmer from Manhattan who's in town visiting friends. Just because it's iPod night doesn't mean the music is going to be any good, he says.

Wotowiec decides tonight is not the night for his iPod debut. So a few hours after arriving at the lounge, fresh from evening Mass, Wotowiec makes two vows: to come back next month, and to come back with "better stuff."

"Next time, I'm gonna come back with more edgy stuff: You know, one hard-core country song, one hard-core metal song, one really, really, really dark techno song. Maybe a movie clip. Next time, when I come back, I'll be prepared, I'll be myself."

© 2005 The Washington Post Company
wow that article is cringeworthy, edgy is such a great adjective
Hey all you would-be iPod DJs. Don't forget to pay your royalties

Songwriters, publishers and songwriter-artists hope that the clubs and would-be DJs featured in the Feb. 25 front-page article "Downloaded and Ready to Rock" are obtaining the requisite permissions for the clubs' use of copyrighted songs.

Downloading a song onto a handheld device for personal enjoyment poses one set of copyright issues. Is the peer-to-peer site SoulSeek obtaining permissions to distribute music? The stakes get higher when the downloads are combined into "new" songs and played in public.

Putting parts of a Nine Inch Nails song into a Bee Gees song is called sampling. Any established band that has sampled from another band's work can tell you about the permissions needed. Any radio station, television station or sports arena can tell you about the rights that must be obtained from the American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers, the Society of European Stage Authors and Composers, and BMI when playing or "performing" someone else's music for profit in a public place.

I hope amateur DJs, clubs and music fans are listening, on the off chance that they're not getting their sampling permissions and performing rights licenses or paying the fees to obtain the downloaded music in the first place.

MONICA CORTON

Vice President, Creative Affairs and Licensing

Next Decade Entertainment Inc.

New York

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2700-2005Mar2.html
I was waiting for that…..
ASCAP and BMI licenses are blanket requirements for any venue that plays music, whether from a regular DJ, iPod or FM radio. Cafe Saint-Ex confirms that it has paid both.
By the way, we look forward to seeing you all on Wednesday.