so was the pumpkin show THAT bad... ??

I certainly wouldn't take it personally if this show got crappy review (wasn't there or trying to get tix) but this little nugget from the post pretty much proves that they went in there with the intnet to pan the show. Not that I doubt it was overblown and self indulgent at times, but they obviously sent in press that had it in for the band and probably would have given it a bad review no matter what.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/11/AR2007071102152.html

I agree. I haven't read the article, b/c when I saw who reported, I wasn't surprised. The Post often reviews popular shows with intended negativity and slams…In my opinion, anyway.
(Remember one of the Ryan Adams' shows? The Post complete wanked on it and had the turn of events completely backwards.)

Originally posted by Greer Zoller:
The Post often reviews popular shows with intended negativity and slams…In my opinion, anyway.

I call this the Pitchfork Effect.

SP just can't sustain 3 hours and keep it interesting. I was bored out of my mind and only stayed to hear cherub rock. The crowd was full of people who cared more about documenting the show on their camera or cell phone for their blog than listening to the music (even though most of the new songs sound alike).

I think I would have been more frustrated if I didn't know what I was getting into. I knew it would be 3 hours. I knew he would play lots of new songs that I know I don't like very much. Knowing all this in advance and knowing Cherub Rock wouldn't come till the encore gave me a freedom to think about how much better the dismemberment plan and dinosaur jr. shows were. And how billy's stripes reminded me of beetlejuice. And the bassist looked like a prostitute out of the fifth element. And Jimmy Chamberlain uses the perfect amount of cymbal (not much).

1.5 hours minus all the new songs except doomsday clock would have been a much better show.

Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
In my mind, "they band played too long" is not a valid argument. I hate Phish, but in my litany of complaints against Phish, I don't include, "man, their shows are indulgently long."

Originally posted by vansmack:

Originally posted by Greer Zoller:
The Post often reviews popular shows with intended negativity and slams…In my opinion, anyway.

I call this the Pitchfork Effect.

Its also the Tony Kornheiser school of journalism. Just be negative and snarky in a literate way and no one will care that you're basically a hack.

Originally posted by Chip Chanko:
The crowd was full of people who cared more about documenting the show on their camera or cell phone for their blog than listening to the music.

I think that this is a good, astute observation that can be applied to 75% of every crowd at about 75% of all shows in 2007. A lot of people care more about being at the show and obtaining documentation that they are at the show than actually enjoying the moment and the music.

Originally posted by Mobius:
Its also the Tony Kornheiser school of journalism. Just be negative and snarky in a literate way and no one will care that you're basically a hack.

I guess it's a case of "hate your local" but as far as sportswriters go, I can think of 200 sportwriters more annoying and dickish than Tony K. Maybe that's because I don't read him everyday in the Post. You really think he's worse than Mitch Albom, Bob Ryan or Mike Lupica? I enjoy him on PTI. He doesn't take things as seriously as most sportswriters.

Brian

P.S. I love pure snarkiness. My favorite show is "The Showbiz Show with David Spade."

Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
P.S. I love pure snarkiness. My favorite show is "The Showbiz Show with David Spade."

i love pure snarkiness too, as long as the author doesn't try passing himself off as anything other than that. too many reviewers and bloggers want us to take their auto-snarkiness seriously.

so since I started this thread and wasn't at the show (I forgot to buy tickets, not a huge fan of the band but wanted to see them).

Is James Iha no longer in this NEW SP? That's my understanding no?

Originally posted by smakawhat:
Is James Iha no longer in this NEW SP? That's my understanding no?

James and D'arcy are not in, correct.

But the new guy looks just like an Asian, and the new girl looks just like a slut.

Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:

Originally posted by smakawhat:
Is James Iha no longer in this NEW SP? That's my understanding no?

James and D'arcy are not in, correct.

Ah, now THAT's offsides. I've never heard anything about D'arcy's promiscuous habits. I HAVE heard that she's gotten a lot of plastic surgery.

Brian

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
But the new guy looks just like an Asian, and the new girl looks just like a slut.

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
the new girl looks just like a slut.

I thought she looked like one of the Olsen twins.

I was just commenting on their appearances. The new guitarist isn't Asian as well, as best I can tell.

My point was they plugged in a slutty LOOKING bassist and Asian LOOKING guitarist.

Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
Ah, now THAT's offsides. I've never heard anything about D'arcy's promiscuous habits. I HAVE heard that she's gotten a lot of plastic surgery.

Brian

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
But the new guy looks just like an Asian, and the new girl looks just like a slut.