Congrats Vansmack!

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:

Originally posted by sonickteam2:

i mean, Vlad is MORE valuable to Los Angeles than either Ortiz or Ramirez is to Boston

you said it yourself!!!

oh, and the team is in anaheim, not l.a.

i thought they were the LA Angels? sorry ;)

i see that perhaps he was more "valuable" but really, is that what this award is?

because how "valuable" was A-rod to Texas last year, when they totally sucked. and then after he left, they were much better?

i think the MVP award is just like "the best player"

well, at least Sheffield didnt win. Guerrero will be playing for us soon enough.

Originally posted by pollard:

Originally posted by Deepak Chopra:
America takes it again, that is amazing! Is this like, the millionth time the world series is won by an American team? You tall Americans, you!

yeah but most of the players up for awards are not American, so I guess it is a World Series

I can't wait till they have a proper World Series with players playing for their countries…of the top off my head the Dominican Republic would have in its roster:

- Albert Pujols
- Vlad Guerrero
- Manny Ramirez
- David Ortiz
- Miguel Tejada
- Moises Alou
- Sammy Sosa
- Alfonso Soriano
- Pedro Martinez
- Bartolo Colon
- Alex Rodriguez (born in Miami to Dominican parents so prolly not eligible)

the list goes on… Felipe Alou would be the skipper with Tony Peña as bench coach =)

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Guerrero will be playing for us soon enough.

Did you import a hefty number of hispanics his mom can cook big Dominican meals for, because the last time I checked, other than a handful of baseball players Boston was a fairly white city?

Vlad loves Anaheim, and more importantly, Vlad's mom loves Anaheim.

She would never let her son play for the New England Red Sox.

Originally posted by vansmack:

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Guerrero will be playing for us soon enough.

Did you import a hefty number of hispanics his mom can cook big Dominican meals for, because the last time I checked, other than a handful of baseball players Boston was a fairly white city?

Vlad loves Anaheim, and more importantly, Vlad's mom loves Anaheim.

She would never let her son play for the New England Red Sox.

Vlad isn't going anywhere, but looks like Pedro might be…although as a Yankees fan I think this is a terrible idea.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=olney_buster&id=1924287

Originally posted by keithstg:
Vlad isn't going anywhere, but looks like Pedro might be…although as a Yankees fan I think this is a terrible idea.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=olney_buster&id=1924287 [/QB]

I hate this idea, he is a jackass and should not be signed for more than two years by any team. Let him stay with the rest of those clowns. He disrespects The Babe and headhunts our best players. Well if he does sign, Sheffield won't have to walk far to break him in half. :cool:


Sonick's gotta like the idea that the Sox are talking with Carl Pavano.

I would like to remind everyone that it was I who said theat we'd see Pedro in a Yankees uniform.

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I would like to remind everyone that it was I who said theat we'd see Pedro in a Yankees uniform.

Oh, I remember, but I still don't think it will happen. After seeing Pedro pitch (albeit briefly) at Game 7 of the ALCS this year, I question why the Yankees would want to spend that kind of money on a pitcher who was clearly gassed. Hopefully George will listen to Cashman and Co. on that one.

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I would like to remind everyone that it was I who said theat we'd see Pedro in a Yankees uniform.

wasnt EVERYONE saying that Rhett?

like all of last season…..

Originally posted by Rob_Gee:

Originally posted by keithstg:
Vlad isn't going anywhere, but looks like Pedro might be…although as a Yankees fan I think this is a terrible idea.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=olney_buster&id=1924287

I hate this idea, he is a jackass and should not be signed for more than two years by any team. Let him stay with the rest of those clowns. He disrespects The Babe and headhunts our best players. Well if he does sign, Sheffield won't have to walk far to break him in half. :cool:


Sonick's gotta like the idea that the Sox are talking with Carl Pavano. [/QB]

like him or not, he was 16-9 last year.

and i LOVE that we're talking to Pavano.

if we sign Pavano and keep Martinez (thier plan, i think)….we are going to fuck some serious shit up next year.

WASHINGTON – The Expos made their first big splash since announcing their move to Washington, agreeing Tuesday to a $6.2 million, two-year contract with third baseman Vinny Castilla and a $16.8 million, four-year deal with shortstop Cristian Guzman.

Are they going to call RFK Coors stadium? Why would anybody other than colorado want Vinny Castilla?

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
if we sign Pavano and keep Martinez (thier plan, i think)….we are going to fuck some serious shit up next year. [/QB]

Unfortunetely, I would have to agree with you there. Unless we sign Randy Johnson and another stud. As for Pavano, he's a great young prospect, but I think pitching in hitter friendly Boston might rattle him a little. Florida was much more pitcher friendly.

Originally posted by sonickteam2:

Originally posted by Rob_Gee:

Originally posted by keithstg:
Vlad isn't going anywhere, but looks like Pedro might be…although as a Yankees fan I think this is a terrible idea.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=olney_buster&id=1924287

I hate this idea, he is a jackass and should not be signed for more than two years by any team. Let him stay with the rest of those clowns. He disrespects The Babe and headhunts our best players. Well if he does sign, Sheffield won't have to walk far to break him in half. :cool:


Sonick's gotta like the idea that the Sox are talking with Carl Pavano.

like him or not, he was 16-9 last year.

and i LOVE that we're talking to Pavano.

if we sign Pavano and keep Martinez (thier plan, i think)….we are going to fuck some serious shit up next year. [/QB]

16-9, era near 4. Put him on the DBacks, Blue Jays, or O's and he has a losing record this season.

Pavano (the Pride of Southington, CT.) will be a big score for whomever signs him.

Signing Pavano and keeping Martinez (and Varitek)may prove impossible given their payroll limits (if they keep the range they are stating now).

A losing record if he's on the O's?

So are you saying Pavano is not as good as Rodrigo Lopez?

Originally posted by keithstg:

Originally posted by sonickteam2:

Originally posted by Rob_Gee:

Originally posted by keithstg:
Vlad isn't going anywhere, but looks like Pedro might be…although as a Yankees fan I think this is a terrible idea.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=olney_buster&id=1924287

I hate this idea, he is a jackass and should not be signed for more than two years by any team. Let him stay with the rest of those clowns. He disrespects The Babe and headhunts our best players. Well if he does sign, Sheffield won't have to walk far to break him in half. :cool:


Sonick's gotta like the idea that the Sox are talking with Carl Pavano.

like him or not, he was 16-9 last year.

and i LOVE that we're talking to Pavano.

if we sign Pavano and keep Martinez (thier plan, i think)….we are going to fuck some serious shit up next year.

16-9, era near 4. Put him on the DBacks, Blue Jays, or O's and he has a losing record this season.

Pavano (the Pride of Southington, CT.) will be a big score for whomever signs him.

Signing Pavano and keeping Martinez (and Varitek)may prove impossible given their payroll limits (if they keep the range they are stating now). [/QB]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
A losing record if he's on the O's?

So are you saying Pavano is not as good as Rodrigo Lopez?

Originally posted by keithstg:

Originally posted by sonickteam2:

Originally posted by Rob_Gee:

Originally posted by keithstg:
Vlad isn't going anywhere, but looks like Pedro might be…although as a Yankees fan I think this is a terrible idea.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=olney_buster&id=1924287

I hate this idea, he is a jackass and should not be signed for more than two years by any team. Let him stay with the rest of those clowns. He disrespects The Babe and headhunts our best players. Well if he does sign, Sheffield won't have to walk far to break him in half. :cool:


Sonick's gotta like the idea that the Sox are talking with Carl Pavano.

like him or not, he was 16-9 last year.

and i LOVE that we're talking to Pavano.

if we sign Pavano and keep Martinez (thier plan, i think)….we are going to fuck some serious shit up next year.

16-9, era near 4. Put him on the DBacks, Blue Jays, or O's and he has a losing record this season.

Pavano (the Pride of Southington, CT.) will be a big score for whomever signs him.

Signing Pavano and keeping Martinez (and Varitek)may prove impossible given their payroll limits (if they keep the range they are stating now).

[/QB]

I was talking about Pedro, actually. Pavano is much, much better than Rodrigo Lopez, as you know.

The larger point is that apart from stellar run support Pedro had a decent, but not great, season. Certainly not one worth $15M a year, eespecially considering his injury history. Sure, Pedro MIGHT have had a winning record on the O's, but with an ERA around 4 relative to the amount of runs that the O's scored this year, it's not likely.

FWIW, the O's will be below .500 yet again next season. Care to make that wager now?

Originally posted by keithstg:
Put him on the DBacks, Blue Jays, or O's and he has a losing record this season.

we're talking about him playing for the Yankees.

you think he wont have a winning record there?


trust me, Toronto isn't picking up Martinez. unless they dropped the rest of thier pitching staff!

Originally posted by sonickteam2:

Originally posted by keithstg:
Put him on the DBacks, Blue Jays, or O's and he has a losing record this season.

we're talking about him playing for the Yankees.

you think he wont have a winning record there?


trust me, Toronto isn't picking up Martinez. unless they dropped the rest of thier pitching staff!

I was talking about his year in general, because 16-9 seems like an impressive record. But looking at the rest of his statistics, he really didn't have that great of a year. As I mentioned, were Pedro to have pitched for a team that scored fewer runs per game, he would likely not have finished 16-9.

I'm under no illusion that Toronto is interested in Pedro, it was just an example. Was it confusing?

As for the Yankees, I'm sure that if Pedro came to NY he would have a winning record. But for $15M a year, the Yankees could get somone younger, who had a better season, and wasn't on the downside of their career. 16-9, 3.90 isn't a bargain for $15M.

And the Yankees already have one pain in the ass starting pitcher who is old and injury prone. We don't need another.

Jeff Suppan (16-9) would take $10 million, but he is still on 3rd base.

I just talked to a buddy of mine from work who is also a Yankee fan. He said if the Yankees sign Pedro he's sending all his Yankees stuff to Steinbrenner. This will not be a popular move. True Yankee fans HATE Pedro, He's an ass. And don't bring Clemens name up cause Yankee fans at least respected Clemens when he was with Boston.

Originally posted by keithstg:

And the Yankees already have one pain in the ass starting pitcher who is old and injury prone. We don't need another.

really? surely they seem to like having old injury prone pitching. i thought that was thier GP.

and looking further. Pedro's year, was only so-so compared to previous years.

and 3.90 in a hitter's ballpark is not THAT bad. maybe like a 2.90 in Florida.

plus, run support in Martinez's 9 losses avg 2.66 compared to 5.93 in his 16 wins.

lets face it, the Sox have never won with pitching (til this past postseason!) we've survived with pitching, and won it with our bats.

anyway, i am rambling.

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
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and looking further. Pedro's year, was only so-so compared to previous years.

and 3.90 in a hitter's ballpark is not THAT bad. maybe like a 2.90 in Florida.

[/QB]

This was the point I was making in the first place. For $17.5M this year, that's not enough performance. The Sox's team era was 4.18. Pedro at 3.90 isn't much better than the average.

3.90 in a hitters ballpark wouldn't be that bad, IF fenway was one of the premier hitters parks in the league. There are 10 teams with stadiums that have a higher hitters park factor than Fenway. Regarding his era being a full run lower in florida, Florida's park factor dictates that his era would likely be .15 lower at most. With the benefit of being in the NL Pedro's era would likely fall further, but not to one run a game different.