Originally posted by bunnyman:
FYI…I really WAS joking around with that last part of my statement :)
Originally posted by mark e smith:what I took away from it is that much of Rock and current TV/cinema stems from what is sellable…thereforce commerce gives birth to culture, rather than people's passions, interests or views of life creating the culture…I guess this has a long history dating back to when patrons may have "controlled" what an artist would produce, but at least that was based on the ideals of the patron, not on the goal of making a profit…
How could any entertainment form that virtually everyone in the first world is subjected to and probably buys oh a billion CDs a year be culturally unimportant.
That is like saying TV or cinema is culturally unimportant.
I think you, not I, missed the point.
As for being Art vs high art, how very pretentious. Its all just entertainment. Either it connects with you or it does not.
"Hey, this doesn't sound half bad to me," I said. "It's kind of a catchy song."That speaks volumes and not in a good way.
Originally posted by bunnyman:Very eloquent piece of writing.
OK, I gave people a lot of grief over liking the Darkness because they bought into hype, but that article is just ridiculous. I can appreciate many, many different kinds of music, but just because it doesn't have cultural importance or significance doesn't mean it's not worth listening to! As for bands like the Doors or the Clash making rock music to target an audience in mind…well, that is baloney. How is it then that Iggy Pop goes to see the Doors, who won't play their biggest hit ("Light My Fire") and instead choose to antagonize and ridicule the very audience there to see them? And many (and I mean MANY) of the "alternative" artists that I love and cherish also were influenced by bands like the Clash, the Doors, the Rolling Stones, etc. Don't tell me Kurt Cobain became a rock star for the babes and for the money. He didn't last long enough to enjoy it…he was an artist that didn't want to compromise on anything. There ARE people out there that become musicians because this is their calling in life…you are seeing it again nowadays. You think most musicians make a ton of money off the records they sell? Think again. How could anyone in their right mind become a rock star these days for the money? Your chances of winning the lotto are higher. Unless you sell 10 million copies of a record, you really aren't going to get much of a chance to cash in. It's sad but true. Rock'n'roll can be about any number of things…sex, drugs, life, love, partying, death, happiness, sadness, anger, etc. There are no rules…there is no code that was written as to what and why an artist should contribute to society through music like rock'n'roll. The whole point was to break the rules, not follow them. And truly…I have set a bad example for myself by writing so much about what rock is. What it boils down to is honesty. Dylan has it, Johnny Thunders had it, Iggy has it, Cobain had it, Bowie has it, Chrissie Hynde has it, Neil Young has it…think how different all of them are. Sometimes they lose sight of it, but it's still a part of them. Rock is not about what is cool, "alternative", etc. Anyone like Robbie Fulks needs to get drunk and laid and put on "Led Zeppelin II", "Sticky Fingers", or even "Paul's Boutique" and maybe he will realize he's looking at music (and probably the world) through a very narrow field of vision.
Originally posted by Harriet Balls:
Originally posted by mark e smith:what I took away from it is that much of Rock and current TV/cinema stems from what is sellable…thereforce commerce gives birth to culture, rather than people's passions, interests or views of life creating the culture…I guess this has a long history dating back to when patrons may have "controlled" what an artist would produce, but at least that was based on the ideals of the patron, not on the goal of making a profit…
How could any entertainment form that virtually everyone in the first world is subjected to and probably buys oh a billion CDs a year be culturally unimportant.
That is like saying TV or cinema is culturally unimportant.
I think you, not I, missed the point.
As for being Art vs high art, how very pretentious. Its all just entertainment. Either it connects with you or it does not.
I think this profit-driven culture denegrates us all…
Do I say no to it, though? Unfortunately no…but I try to keep it in perspective…
Originally posted by mankie:
On the subject of TV culture.
Who else is happy that the BITCH from DC got fired from the apprentice last night? She's had it coming a long time that one.
Sad bastard aren't I…but it's the only reality show I've watched, which isn't bad considering the airwaves are full of the shite these days.
Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:Can't speak for Martha, but your wife must like lazy, lying, manipulative hyperchondriacs who flash the race card all to easily.
Funny, my wife liked both her AND Martha Stewart…
Can't really comment myself, I aint been watching the show.
Originally posted by mankie:
On the subject of TV culture.
Who else is happy that the BITCH from DC got fired from the apprentice last night? She's had it coming a long time that one.
Sad bastard aren't I…but it's the only reality show I've watched, which isn't bad considering the airwaves are full of the shite these days.
Originally posted by mankie:well, I hardly ever watch the show, so I don't really know for sure…at first I was kind of glad she got shit-canned because she seemed like a prima donna…HOWEVER…I could relate to her wanting to sit down to eat lunch, and I don't really care for that Heidi chick…also, she was the only one who had the right instinct about the artist they chose and she was also the only one who could even sell a piece, even though she personally didn't like the art…
Can't speak for Martha, but your wife must like lazy, lying, manipulative hyperchondriacs who flash the race card all to easily.
Originally posted by Harriet Balls:That Heidi girl is a little rough alright, but at least she was the only one not afraid of that one that got canned last night…Omarosa or whatever her name is.
Originally posted by mankie:well, I hardly ever watch the show, so I don't really know for sure…at first I was kind of glad she got shit-canned because she seemed like a prima donna…HOWEVER…I could relate to her wanting to sit down to eat lunch, and I don't really care for that Heidi chick…also, she was the only one who had the right instinct about the artist they chose and she was also the only one who could even sell a piece, even though she personally didn't like the art…
Can't speak for Martha, but your wife must like lazy, lying, manipulative hyperchondriacs who flash the race card all to easily.
that team really blew it! imagine making their choice on price points alone…it's generally easier to sell safe and friendlier art, or at least art they could somewhat understand and like
Originally posted by mankie:yeah, well Mr. Balls kind of misspoke when he said I "liked" her…I generally don't like prissy women of any kind…and, someone had to go last night…so it may as well have been her…
Originally posted by Harriet Balls:That Heidi girl is a little rough alright, but at least she was the only one not afraid of that one that got canned last night…Omarosa or whatever her name is.
Originally posted by mankie:well, I hardly ever watch the show, so I don't really know for sure…at first I was kind of glad she got shit-canned because she seemed like a prima donna…HOWEVER…I could relate to her wanting to sit down to eat lunch, and I don't really care for that Heidi chick…also, she was the only one who had the right instinct about the artist they chose and she was also the only one who could even sell a piece, even though she personally didn't like the art…
Can't speak for Martha, but your wife must like lazy, lying, manipulative hyperchondriacs who flash the race card all to easily.
that team really blew it! imagine making their choice on price points alone…it's generally easier to sell safe and friendlier art, or at least art they could somewhat understand and like
I personally would never have picked the artist they picked…not only did I think her art was shite, it was also pretty provocative so not too many people are going to buy it…for a sales contest they needed to go more middle of the road, like Omarosa suggested.
If you haven't watched the whole series you've missed a lot of the bullshit she's come up with though. In fact, her suggestion last night was only only sound idea she had. She was the leader for a flea market project they had to do. She said because she was brought up in the projects :roll: and her mother had to buy her clothes at flea markets she would ace the contest….needless to say they got hammered. The only project she's seen was her art project at the private school she probably went to.
Originally posted by Harriet Balls:
I worked with a girl who was in the Miss DC pageant and Omorosa was her coach!!!!I'm guessing she was disqualified during the personality part of the pageant then.