Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:My too many uses of the word jam in a thread alert is at 61%. Be careful folks, you don't wanna have to deal with the jam police.
Originally posted by pollard:maybe it's that brand of dmb jam band that came up via the frat circuit… of late.
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:where I went to school, the people listening to jam bands were not frat boys, they were modern day hippies, frat boys were in to the beastie boys, not a slight on anyone, just the truth
jam bands were for the most part ignored in the dark ages of the forum, seeing as they hadn't graduated to playing the club yet. still playing "off the chain" shows in frat houses on the east coast.
jam band fans have their own boards and would be bored here seeing as there is a lacking of concert trading, etc
regardless jam bands weren't on our radar and so why bother diss it… it was more important to talk about lesbian advengers
Scissor Sisters roll call
I'm not on a crusade for anything. I'm just commenting on how things are.
If I were going to crusade for anything, it would be banning cigarette smoking or Republicans in the White House.
If I were going to crusade for anything, it would be banning cigarette smoking or Republicans in the White House.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
So now you are on a crusade for a proportional representation of chatboard participants based both on album sales data and the frequency with which artists in particular genres play at the 9:30 Club?
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Ok, compare that top ten to the current Americana top 10 http://americanaradio.org/ama/displaychart.asp?mode=lw
and tell me the amount of mention on this board that WOXY top 10 bands compared to Americana top 10 bands correlates with the sales of each.
It's not like this board is a WOXY board, or even a Black Cat or Iota board, all of which would tend to have skewed audiences. This is the 9:30 board, a club which books an amazing array of genres of music, but whose chatboard really doesn't reflect that.
How do you figure that one?
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Sales have nothing to do with…how many people have heard of them for that matter
Not true. Take a look at the current 9:30 Club schedule. Old 97's, Drive By Truckers, Mindy Smith, the Cramps (if you stretch the definition of Americana), and an as yet unannounced show by Del McCoury Band with Donna the Buffalo are all on the schedule.
Also, if you take a look at the Americana Charts, Steve Earle, Dwight Yoakam, Vince Gill (Notorious Cherry Bombs), Dave Alvin, Old 97's, Loretta Lynn, Drive By Truckers, Los Lobos, and Wilco have all played the 9:30 Club, some of them numerous times.
But of course the only ones of those that get mentioned with any kind of regularity on this board are the ones who are also played on WOXY…Wilco and maybe the Drive By Truckers.
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Also, if you take a look at the Americana Charts, Steve Earle, Dwight Yoakam, Vince Gill (Notorious Cherry Bombs), Dave Alvin, Old 97's, Loretta Lynn, Drive By Truckers, Los Lobos, and Wilco have all played the 9:30 Club, some of them numerous times.
But of course the only ones of those that get mentioned with any kind of regularity on this board are the ones who are also played on WOXY…Wilco and maybe the Drive By Truckers.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:but it would reflect it less if we talked about Americana bands, since they almost NEVER play the 930 club.
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Originally posted by nkotbie:ok, i should've stated that sales are not a "direct indication" of how many people have heard of them.
How do you figure that one?
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Sales have nothing to do with…how many people have heard of them for that matter
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:but a quick look at the show list now,
Not true. Take a look at the current 9:30 Club schedule. Old 97's, Drive By Truckers, Mindy Smith, the Cramps (if you stretch the definition of Americana), and an as yet unannounced show by Del McCoury Band with Donna the Buffalo are all on the schedule.
WOXY band shows like…
Siouxsie, Snow Patrol, The Killers, The Black Keys, Libertines, Walkmen, Sam Roberts, Flogging Molly, Keane, French Kicks, Ambulance, Supergrass, Hope of the States, Coheed and Cambria, Radio 4, Minstry, Helmet and Blonde Redhead (with unannounced Death Cab, Muse, PJ Harvey, Deftones, and Interpol shows) significantly outnumber the 4 or 5 Americana bands you have listed. 2 of which being bands WOXY plays anyway (old 97s and DBT)
and the Cramps, I dont call Americana.
Perhaps you could go someplace else where the bands discussed were more to your liking?
I don't think you would be missed much.
I don't think you would be missed much.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
But of course the only ones of those that get mentioned with any kind of regularity on this board are the ones who are also played on WOXY…Wilco and maybe the Drive By Truckers.
I'm not trying to be difficult, but you're still missing me. Michael Jackson has sold millions upon millions of albums, and just about everyone in the world has heard of him. And if you head to the mall and ask random people who they've heard of, Creed (a band we can all agree has sold a lot of albums but blows) or the Clash (a band we can agree hasn't sold as many records but doesn't blow), I think the answer would easily be Creed.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by nkotbie:ok, i should've stated that sales are not a "direct indication" of how many people have heard of them.
How do you figure that one?
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Sales have nothing to do with…how many people have heard of them for that matter
Originally posted by nkotbie:i understand, but i dont think thats true with every band. more often than not, i will give you. :)
I'm not trying to be difficult, but you're still missing me.
I don't think you would be missed much either if you departed. I don't think any one board member would really be missed that much.
If I were to find a good locally based music board that was more to my liking, I would certainly consider going there.
As it is, my goal is to stay here and corrupt the masses into expanding their musical palates. And occasionally expanding my own with bands I never would have considered listening to (e.g. The Libertines, the High Strung, etc.)
If I were to find a good locally based music board that was more to my liking, I would certainly consider going there.
As it is, my goal is to stay here and corrupt the masses into expanding their musical palates. And occasionally expanding my own with bands I never would have considered listening to (e.g. The Libertines, the High Strung, etc.)
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Perhaps you could go someplace else where the bands discussed were more to your liking?
I don't think you would be missed much.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
But of course the only ones of those that get mentioned with any kind of regularity on this board are the ones who are also played on WOXY…Wilco and maybe the Drive By Truckers.
guess what we need since we already have the Thom York wing on the forum, is a Rhett Miller wing. along with a Rivers Cuomo and Kurt Cobain wings.
Surely among the other 7000 people registered here there were people willing discuss the latest Americana bands.
I'm also sure we could turn the forum into discussion site for HFS and DC101 bands if thats more to your liking….
Surely among the other 7000 people registered here there were people willing discuss the latest Americana bands.
I'm also sure we could turn the forum into discussion site for HFS and DC101 bands if thats more to your liking….
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:however, i would get totally bored of just talking about Radiohead and thier brilliant music.
guess what we need since we already have the Thom York wing on the forum
This description from allmusic certainly lends to putting the Cramps into the Americana category. To me, their sound is derived from rockabilly, and you can't get much more Americana than that.
Conjuring a fiendish witches' brew of primal rockabilly, grease-stained '60s garage rock, vintage monster movies, perverse and glistening sex, and the detritus and effluvia of 50 years of American pop culture, the Cramps are a truly American creation much in the manner of the Cadillac, the White Castle hamburger, the Fender Stratocaster, and Jayne Mansfield.
Conjuring a fiendish witches' brew of primal rockabilly, grease-stained '60s garage rock, vintage monster movies, perverse and glistening sex, and the detritus and effluvia of 50 years of American pop culture, the Cramps are a truly American creation much in the manner of the Cadillac, the White Castle hamburger, the Fender Stratocaster, and Jayne Mansfield.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
and the Cramps, I dont call Americana.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB] I don't think you would be missed much either if you departed. I don't think any one board member would really be missed that much.
If I were to find a good locally based music board that was more to my liking, I would certainly consider going there.
As it is, my goal is to stay here and corrupt the masses into expanding their musical palates. And occasionally expanding my own with bands I never would have considered listening to (e.g. The Libertines, the High Strung, etc.)
I miss Mankie Bollocks.
I am sure the board would be much less interesting without Rhett or GGW. Rhett adds a great deal to the disharmony, but also supplies a bit of diversity.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:is CCR Americana then? and how about Counting Crows? just wondering….i thought the Cramps were a little more garage sounding though. Maybe its all the same…Kosmo can probably tell us.
This description from allmusic certainly lends to putting the Cramps into the Americana category. To me, their sound is derived from rockabilly, and you can't get much more Americana than that.
Conjuring a fiendish witches' brew of primal rockabilly, grease-stained '60s garage rock, vintage monster movies, perverse and glistening sex, and the detritus and effluvia of 50 years of American pop culture, the Cramps are a truly American creation much in the manner of the Cadillac, the White Castle hamburger, the Fender Stratocaster, and Jayne Mansfield.
haven't listened to a whole of the cramps, so count me out…
I would say CCR were definitely Americana, though it wasn't called that at the time. Same goes for Tom Petty, Neil Young, Gram Parsons, and the Byrds.
Counting Crows might best be referred to as watered down pop Americana. Sort of like calling Coldplay "Britpop".
Counting Crows might best be referred to as watered down pop Americana. Sort of like calling Coldplay "Britpop".
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:is CCR Americana then? and how about Counting Crows? just wondering….i thought the Cramps were a little more garage sounding though. Maybe its all the same…Kosmo can probably tell us.
This description from allmusic certainly lends to putting the Cramps into the Americana category. To me, their sound is derived from rockabilly, and you can't get much more Americana than that.
Conjuring a fiendish witches' brew of primal rockabilly, grease-stained '60s garage rock, vintage monster movies, perverse and glistening sex, and the detritus and effluvia of 50 years of American pop culture, the Cramps are a truly American creation much in the manner of the Cadillac, the White Castle hamburger, the Fender Stratocaster, and Jayne Mansfield.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:Focusing on the word "expanding" vice "corrupt" – How so? I heard a lot about Old 97's via your posts, so I did check them out to see what all the hoopla is about. Other than that I haven't read about other bands through your posts and anything else brought up you seem to discount or squash with your opinion.
corrupt the masses into expanding their musical palates.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Perhaps you could go someplace else where the bands discussed were more to your liking?
I don't think you would be missed much.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
But of course the only ones of those that get mentioned with any kind of regularity on this board are the ones who are also played on WOXY…Wilco and maybe the Drive By Truckers.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:good comparison.
I would say CCR were definitely Americana, though it wasn't called that at the time. Same goes for Tom Petty, Neil Young, Gram Parsons, and the Byrds.
Counting Crows might best be referred to as watered down pop Americana. Sort of like calling Coldplay "Britpop".
I love CCR. and i love the counting crows. at least i used to..not sure about anything past 1999.
Perhaps not.
But considering you spend more of your time slagging the musical tastes of others than promoting your own tastes, you would probably be better off elsewhere.
Except, it's pretty obvious that you enjoy trolling, as it probably gives an illusion of value to your otherwise sorry life.
But considering you spend more of your time slagging the musical tastes of others than promoting your own tastes, you would probably be better off elsewhere.
Except, it's pretty obvious that you enjoy trolling, as it probably gives an illusion of value to your otherwise sorry life.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I don't think you would be missed much either if you departed. I don't think any one board member would really be missed that much.