…and the Vibe awards broke out.
I went to a basketball game....
Who'd you go see play?
When does Ron Artest's album come out? I hear it's so good, they don't refer to him as an "artist" but rather an "artest".
Saw him on the Today Show this morning. What a dumb shit.
Saw him on the Today Show this morning. What a dumb shit.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:Yeah he certainly didn't help himself at all with that appearance.
Saw him on the Today Show this morning. What a dumb shit.
Well, he's a jerk, but i saw on ESPN last night, they were interviewing the fellow who threw the cup that hit Artest.
John Green…kinda tossed it over there, and when Artest came into the stands, Green stepped aside and Artest started pummeling some completely innocent (maybe) guy….then Green pulled Artest off of him and once there was a ton of people over there, started hitting Artest.
They also said Green has been arrested for assault before and has 2 DUIS in the last 5 years.
He's ALSO a jerk. and they revoked his season tickets…..they should play those games IN Detroit, that way the whiteys wont even come and start problems!
John Green…kinda tossed it over there, and when Artest came into the stands, Green stepped aside and Artest started pummeling some completely innocent (maybe) guy….then Green pulled Artest off of him and once there was a ton of people over there, started hitting Artest.
They also said Green has been arrested for assault before and has 2 DUIS in the last 5 years.
He's ALSO a jerk. and they revoked his season tickets…..they should play those games IN Detroit, that way the whiteys wont even come and start problems!
The thing is, people like Artest confuse self-defense with retaliation.
You get a cup of beer dumped on you and then beat the shit out of the person, you're acting in retaliation, not self-defense.
It's sort of analogous to if someone on the board called me an asshole, then I tracked him down and beat the shit out of him.
I thought it was indicative of the dumb conformist mentality of these jocks when Gilbert Arenas said something to the effect of (in defense of Jackson and O'Neal, I guess)"Hey, if someone is getting on your teammate, you gotta go help him out."
Dude, learn to think for yourself.
You get a cup of beer dumped on you and then beat the shit out of the person, you're acting in retaliation, not self-defense.
It's sort of analogous to if someone on the board called me an asshole, then I tracked him down and beat the shit out of him.
I thought it was indicative of the dumb conformist mentality of these jocks when Gilbert Arenas said something to the effect of (in defense of Jackson and O'Neal, I guess)"Hey, if someone is getting on your teammate, you gotta go help him out."
Dude, learn to think for yourself.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:LOL….That's a good one….LOL
then I tracked him down and beat the shit out of him.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:I disagree about those going in to help the guy who did the wrong thing. At this point you are trying to keep your guy from being pummeled. That is defendable, being the first one up there is not.
I thought it was indicative of the dumb conformist mentality of these jocks when Gilbert Arenas said something to the effect of (in defense of Jackson and O'Neal, I guess)"Hey, if someone is getting on your teammate, you gotta go help him out."
Dude, learn to think for yourself.
The solution is what Cypress Hill did years back at Lollapalooza. They played after Pavement who were getting attacked by people tossing grass clumps. They had two thug like guys, one on each corner of the stage, watching for anyone tossing anything towards the stage. Nothing went that way. So same thing here, have some security who watch for this and are there first on the guy before the players can think of attacking. If the guilty party was down before Artest could jump him, then that would have ended it there.
Thatguy is needed there.
Jackson (the second guy) didn't go up into the stands defending his man. He went up there as extra ammunition. He should get a longer suspension, he didn't even have beer spilled on him.
Originally posted by Sir HC:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:I disagree about those going in to help the guy who did the wrong thing. At this point you are trying to keep your guy from being pummeled. That is defendable, being the first one up there is not.
I thought it was indicative of the dumb conformist mentality of these jocks when Gilbert Arenas said something to the effect of (in defense of Jackson and O'Neal, I guess)"Hey, if someone is getting on your teammate, you gotta go help him out."
Dude, learn to think for yourself.
The solution is what Cypress Hill did years back at Lollapalooza. They played after Pavement who were getting attacked by people tossing grass clumps. They had two thug like guys, one on each corner of the stage, watching for anyone tossing anything towards the stage. Nothing went that way. So same thing here, have some security who watch for this and are there first on the guy before the players can think of attacking. If the guilty party was down before Artest could jump him, then that would have ended it there.
Thatguy is needed there.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:maybe I am an asshole, but if thats MY teammate..I'm going up there too.
Jackson (the second guy) didn't go up into the stands defending his man. He went up there as extra ammunition. He should get a longer suspension, he didn't even have beer spilled on him.
you dont know what those guys have up there? someone could have stabbed him with some car keys or some shit….its not it was two players fighting up there….i dont know, where do you draw the line at sticking up for your teammate…even if he's wrong….
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:[/QB]
Jackson (the second guy) didn't go up into the stands defending his man. He went up there as extra ammunition. He should get a longer suspension, he didn't even have beer spilled on him.
Agreed, Jackson went hitting a guy who didnt look like he was even involved. On the same note, Pacer players who were trying to break up the fight (Jones) was getting pummelled from behind by some fat guy who will surely be arrested and charged. Every single moron who threw something at a Pacer, even if it was a popcorn kernel, should be arrested.
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:only arrested???? i thought you would have had them rolled over with tanks!
Every single moron who threw something at a Pacer, even if it was a popcorn kernel, should be arrested.
I don't stick up for anyone if they are wrong.
That's sort of like saying we all have to support the war in Iraq, because George Bush is our fellow American.
That's sort of like saying we all have to support the war in Iraq, because George Bush is our fellow American.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:maybe I am an asshole, but if thats MY teammate..I'm going up there too.
Jackson (the second guy) didn't go up into the stands defending his man. He went up there as extra ammunition. He should get a longer suspension, he didn't even have beer spilled on him.
you dont know what those guys have up there? someone could have stabbed him with some car keys or some shit….its not it was two players fighting up there….i dont know, where do you draw the line at sticking up for your teammate…even if he's wrong….
Originally posted by sonickteam2:Don't be hatin'
only arrested???? i thought you would have had them rolled over with tanks! [/QB]
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:not really. but anyway
I don't stick up for anyone if they are wrong.
That's sort of like saying we all have to support the war in Iraq, because George Bush is our fellow American.
so if you're wife, or brother or best friend was wrong, you wouldn't stick up for him in the heat of the moment? say you were at a bar and someone threw something on them and a fight broke out and your friend/wife/brother was pushing and shoving with like 5 people….you would just stand there and say "well, he/she was wrong so i wont be getting in to help"
sure you would.
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:sorry
Originally posted by sonickteam2:Don't be hatin' [/QB]
only arrested???? i thought you would have had them rolled over with tanks!
I would try to pull my wife/brother/best friend off the person. And my neither my wife or brother would behave so stupidly anyway, so it's a moot point. The bottom line is getting hit with a liquid does not entitle a person to punch out another person.
A bar and a professional workplace are two different things. While my wife MIGHT retaliate to someone provoking her in a bar, I doubt she would do the same in a professional workplace, as Artest did.
A bar and a professional workplace are two different things. While my wife MIGHT retaliate to someone provoking her in a bar, I doubt she would do the same in a professional workplace, as Artest did.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:not really. but anyway
I don't stick up for anyone if they are wrong.
That's sort of like saying we all have to support the war in Iraq, because George Bush is our fellow American.
so if you're wife, or brother or best friend was wrong, you wouldn't stick up for him in the heat of the moment? say you were at a bar and someone threw something on them and a fight broke out and your friend/wife/brother was pushing and shoving with like 5 people….you would just stand there and say "well, he/she was wrong so i wont be getting in to help"
sure you would.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:oh, how did i know you'd say that!
And my neither my wife or brother would behave so stupidly anyway, so it's a moot point.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:is your wife's professional workplace a place where other people go and drink beer? and rout for her to lose?
A bar and a professional workplace are two different things. While my wife MIGHT retaliate to someone provoking her in a bar, I doubt she would do the same in a professional workplace, as Artest did.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
The bottom line is getting hit with a liquid does not entitle a person to punch out another person.
It's assualt and battery, so yes, it is a reason for a person to punch out another……Of course my violent opinions usually differ from a few other people. But if someone I don't know throws a cup of beer in my face, your damn right I'll throw a few punches and It'll probably take two or three people to get me off him…..Hopefully they do though, cause I'd probably go to far. I'm willing to bet that most people wouldnt just stand there and say "hey nice shot, I'll bet you twenty bucks you can't hit me again from ten feet away".
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:not to mention, humiliating. besides, if Artest doesnt get up and do all that….nothing happens and this fan and how many others continue to throw objects at players….
It's assualt and battery
two wrongs dont make a right, but two large black men beating the snot out of you might make you think twice before tossing beverages in thier direction again.