â??I could probably outdo The White Stripes with a guitar

Originally posted by The Jesus Nut:

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Back in the day

Back in the day alert!
Back in the day alert!

Penalty: 15 yards for overusage of this rap phraseology.

My comment was directed toward the younger demographic of the board, so I felt it best to utilize some of the age-appropriate vernacular to reinforce my position as a dope and fly fellow.

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
so I felt it best to utilize some of the age-appropriate vernacular to reinforce my position as a dope and fly fellow.

you are a true master of the idiom

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
My comment was directed toward the younger demographic of the board, so I felt it best to utilize some of the age-appropriate vernacular to reinforce my position as a dope and fly fellow.

Well you'd best watch it from here on, or I'll hafta bust a cap in yo ass dawg.

Originally posted by The Jesus Nut:
Well you'd best watch it from here on, or I'll hafta bust a cap in yo ass dawg.

Word to your mother.

i'm surprised no one has mentioned Chris Cheney of The Living End. holy fuck.

Well he was #6 on my list. But Sonick only asked for five. Sorry.

Originally posted by you be betty:
i'm surprised no one has mentioned Chris Cheney of The Living End. holy fuck.

I can't believe this conversation is taking place. Get back to me in 10 or 20 years and then we can talk about whether or not we even mention Jack White and The Who in the same fucking breath.

Come to your freaking senses people.

Go to the Warehouse and see one of those "washboard and saucepan" shows that Snailhook puts on. Plenty of new and different stuff is out there, it's just that most people won't find it until it's on Seth Cohen's iPod.

hallelujah! thanks for mentioning that, ggw. the reason i book these shows is so people in dc can see something other than the same old emo and indie rock that gets shoved down our throats.

at the risk of sounding like a complete asshole elitist and assuming i'll get flamed for saying this, but most people on this board have an incredibly limited musical palette (not all, but a lot). most of the "great" guitarists mentioned so far are absolute jokes. i think rhett nakatestes' list is interesting, but still limited to his beloved alt-country. the majority of the current great guitarists are not found in the indie rock or punk world. they can be found in obscure bands playing challenging experimental music to avant-jazz ensembles to grindmetal to acoustic fingerpicking (in fact, i regularly book acoustic guitarists that make jack white sound like ashlee simpson).

i think jack white's greatest gifts are his vocals and songwriting. he's a decent-to-good guitarist, but far from excellent.

and even considering comparing the who to the white stripes is idiotic. as is saying they ripped off zeppelin, which is lazy journalism (like how people say interpol rips off joy division). the white stripes came out of a fertile detroit garage rock scene, and they transcended it not because they were/are better than their elders/peers (the dirtbombs, the gories, bantam rooster, the clone defects, etc.), but because they devised an intriguing rock-via-art shtick and self-mythology that stuck with the kids. i remember seeing them live for the first time in 2000 when they were first coming up and thinking that they were good, but will probably achieve massive success because they had "the look."

as far as dropping names, i'll just say that nels cline over the past decade blows away anybody mentioned so far, regarding breadth of style and balls. jack rose, glenn jones, tom carter, ben chasny, michio kurihara, jim o'rourke, mick turner, harris newman, nick saloman, wayne rogers, makoto kawabata, richard youngs, alan licht, loren mazzacane connors, yanni papadopoulos…look 'em up…

Originally posted by snailhook:
hallelujah! thanks for mentioning that, ggw. the reason i book these shows is so people in dc can see something other than the same old emo and indie rock that gets shoved down our throats.

at the risk of sounding like a complete asshole elitist and assuming i'll get flamed for saying this, but most people on this board have an incredibly limited musical palette (not all, but a lot). most of the "great" guitarists mentioned so far are absolute jokes. i think rhett nakatestes' list is interesting, but still limited to his beloved alt-country. the majority of the current great guitarists are not found in the indie rock or punk world. they can be found in obscure bands playing challenging experimental music to avant-jazz ensembles to grindmetal to acoustic fingerpicking (in fact, i regularly book acoustic guitarists that make jack white sound like ashlee simpson).

i think jack white's greatest gifts are his vocals and songwriting. he's a decent-to-good guitarist, but far from excellent.

and even considering comparing the who to the white stripes is idiotic. as is saying they ripped off zeppelin, which is lazy journalism (like how people say interpol rips off joy division). the white stripes came out of a fertile detroit garage rock scene, and they transcended it not because they were/are better than their elders/peers (the dirtbombs, the gories, bantam rooster, the clone defects, etc.), but because they devised an intriguing rock-via-art shtick and self-mythology that stuck with the kids. i remember seeing them live for the first time in 2000 when they were first coming up and thinking that they were good, but will probably achieve massive success because they had "the look."

as far as dropping names, i'll just say that nels cline over the past decade blows away anybody mentioned so far, regarding breadth of style and balls. jack rose, glenn jones, tom carter, ben chasny, michio kurihara, jim o'rourke, mick turner, harris newman, nick saloman, wayne rogers, makoto kawabata, richard youngs, alan licht, loren mazzacane connors, yanni papadopoulos…look 'em up…

Snailhook deserves an honorary Ph.D in rock & roll.

Originally posted by Chaz, Rhett Miller Breastroking Pro:
I can't believe this conversation is taking place. Get back to me in 10 or 20 years and then we can talk about whether or not we even mention Jack White and The Who in the same fucking breath.

Come to your freaking senses people.

HE STARTED IT!!!!
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Originally posted by snailhook:

Go to the Warehouse and see one of those "washboard and saucepan" shows that Snailhook puts on. Plenty of new and different stuff is out there, it's just that most people won't find it until it's on Seth Cohen's iPod.

most of the "great" guitarists mentioned so far are absolute jokes. i think rhett nakatestes' list is interesting, but still limited to his beloved alt-country. the majority of the current great guitarists are not found in the indie rock or punk world. they can be found in obscure bands playing challenging experimental music to avant-jazz ensembles to grindmetal to acoustic fingerpicking

I think great still remains relative. It all depends on what you're looking for in music. For innovative and challenging guitar work, yes - most new, incredible players are going to be found in the realm of music where things are still innovative and challenging. But I don't think that makes the other guitarists mentioned an absolute joke.

I also don't think comparing bands to one another is idiotic. Yes, it may be lazy journalism, but at the same time, points of reference are what allow people some measure of insight into sound. Describing sound with words is a problem to begin with - often times the best way that somebody is really going to understand what you're trying to say is if you can provide some way of connecting it to what they know. Of course the White Stripes are doing more than borrowing from Zeppelin, and came out of a bigger scene. But speaking to your average joe, if you reference the late '90s early '00s Detroit scene, nobody is going to have a fucking clue of what you're talking about.

Actually, I think HE started it.

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Originally posted by callat703:
Okay, guitarists since '95?

Are we talking like killer lead players, or just great guitarists that I rank ahead of Jack White?

in no order:

*Josh Garza of the Secret Machines

Josh is their drummer, next.

Originally posted by TheREALHunter:

Originally posted by callat703:
Okay, guitarists since '95?

Are we talking like killer lead players, or just great guitarists that I rank ahead of Jack White?

in no order:

*Josh Garza of the Secret Machines

Josh is their drummer, next.

Yes, you're absolutely right. My mistake. I mean Ben Curtis.

I blame the All Music Guide's bio:

"Revealing a sharp songwriting instinct and unfolding a distinct indie rock influence, Secret Machines unveil singular scenarios and refined tunes within the alternative pop/rock scene. Drummer Benjamin Curtis, Josh Garza, and Brandon Curtis (vocals, bass) formed Secret Machines in the midst of summer of 2000, in Dallas, TX."

Originally posted by callat703:
Yes, you're absolutely right. My mistake. I mean Ben Curtis.

this ben curtis?

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Originally posted by callat703:

Originally posted by TheREALHunter:

Originally posted by callat703:
Okay, guitarists since '95?

Are we talking like killer lead players, or just great guitarists that I rank ahead of Jack White?

in no order:

*Josh Garza of the Secret Machines

Josh is their drummer, next.

Yes, you're absolutely right. My mistake. I mean Ben Curtis.

I blame the All Music Guide's bio:

"Revealing a sharp songwriting instinct and unfolding a distinct indie rock influence, Secret Machines unveil singular scenarios and refined tunes within the alternative pop/rock scene. Drummer Benjamin Curtis, Josh Garza, and Brandon Curtis (vocals, bass) formed Secret Machines in the midst of summer of 2000, in Dallas, TX."

Where AMG got it wrong is that Ben Curtis WAS the drummer for UFOFU and for Tripping Daisy at one point, just not Secret Machines.

Yeah, I just got confused in how they wrote it. Good catch - thanks for the correction.