"Ever get the feeling you'd been cheated?"

can i point out how folks think that for an athlete - someone paid to chase a ball - it's 100% natural for them to make $12 million dollars a year. it's natural. this can only be achieved by driving a hard bargain - i.e. milking the team organization for everything they can, the cost then past on to the consumer, the fans. BUT when artists make big bucks off their success, their "hypocrisy" is pure evil. you'd think some people here are against musician becoming wealthy.

Originally posted by walkonby:
because they bitched and bitched and bitched and bitched about dupek every day, and now they want him back (so funny). now b dubbs has taken his place.

they're interchangeable.

Originally posted by sweetcell:
can i point out how folks think that for an athlete - someone paid to chase a ball - it's 100% natural for them to make $12 million dollars a year. it's natural. this can only be achieved by driving a hard bargain - i.e. milking the team organization for everything they can, the cost then past on to the consumer, the fans. BUT when artists make big bucks off their success, their "hypocrisy" is pure evil. you'd think some people here are against musician becoming wealthy.

Probably because we're of the notion that the arts should exist purely for aesthetic reasons and not be tainted by the stench of commerce, which is reflected in the line you hear over and over "I made this album for myself, not for anyone else."

I also think that nowadays it's a lot harder and requires a greater commitment to be a professional athlete than a professional musician.

Originally posted by Relaxer:
Probably because we're of the notion that the arts should exist purely for aesthetic reasons and not be tainted by the stench of commerce, which is reflected in the line you hear over and over "I made this album for myself, not for anyone else."

i too like my artists lean and hungry, but you can't fault them for not wanting to live in a slum forever.

maybe artists that become popular should sign up for an integrity-protecting trust fund? for a few years after they make it big, they're given enough to survive and maybe buy a new guitar. the rest is stashed away until they're ready to sell out, thus preserving their hunger… </not being serious>

Originally posted by Relaxer:
I also think that nowadays it's a lot harder and requires a greater commitment to be a professional athlete than a professional musician.

can't entirely agree there. as a guitar player, i'm sure you appreciate the time and dedication is takes to learn an instrument, write good songs, etc.

Originally posted by sweetcell:
as a guitar player, i'm sure you appreciate the time and dedication is takes to learn an instrument, write good songs, etc.

Screw that. It's 2007. Just get "Guitar Hero."

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Brian

There's a big difference between being lean and hungry, and buying a 7 million dollar house in West Hollywood, like one indie hero just did.

Sorry to beat a dead horse here, but I thought this was pretty relevant. From a recent Wilco blurb on MySpace:

Additionally, as most of you probably know, there's a European tour edition of Sky Blue Sky out now. It contains a bonus disc with the following:

1. The Thanks I Get
2. Letâ??s Not Get Carried Away
3. One True VIne
4. Impossible Germany (Live in Denver Sept. '07)
5. Hate it Here (Live in Denver Sept. '07)

We have some copies available in the store now.

And lest you think we're trying to sell you the same item twice – if you already own the disc, the tracks are available for free download. Go to http://wilcoworld.net/sbs/ for instructions.

:D

Previously, our office went out for a holiday lunch and WE had to pay. Now we're having a potluck. Which means no restuarant, and eating shit food cooked by my co-workers. And no wine or beer to wash it down with. Yes. I feel cheated.

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
There's a big difference between being lean and hungry, and buying a 7 million dollar house in West Hollywood, like one indie hero just did.

who?

Everyone's favorite singing Scientologist

http://www.tmz.com/2007/11/11/scientolocouple-picks-up-new-pad/

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
There's a big difference between being lean and hungry, and buying a 7 million dollar house in West Hollywood, like one indie hero just did.

who?

IT HAS BEEN NINE YEARS SINCE WE'VE SEEN A NEW KISS ALBUM. ANY PLANS TO GET BACK INTO THE STUDIO?

The record industry is in such a mess. I called for what it was when college kids first started download music for free – that they were crooks. I told every record label I spoke with that they just lit the fuse to their own bomb that was going to explode from under them and put them on the street.

There is nothing in me that wants to go in there and do new music. How are you going to deliver it? How are you going to get paid for it if people can just get it for free? I will be putting out a Gene Simmons box set called "Monster" – a collection of 150 unreleased songs. KISS will have another box set of unreleased music in the next year.

The record industry doesn't have a f—ing clue how to make money. It's only their fault for letting foxes get into the henhouse and then wondering why there's no eggs or chickens. Every little college kid, every freshly-scrubbed little kid's face should have been sued off the face of the earth. They should have taken their houses and cars and nipped it right there in the beginning. Those kids are putting 100,000 to a million people out of work. How can you pick on them? They've got freckles. That's a crook. He may as well be wearing a bandit's mask.

Doesn't affect me. But imagine being a new band with dreams of getting on stage and putting out your own record. Forget it.

BUT SOME ARTISTS LIKE RADIOHEAD AND TRENT REZNOR ARE TRYING TO FIND A NEW BUSINESS MODEL.

That doesn't count. You can't pick on one person as an exception. And that's not a business model that works. I open a store and say "Come on in and pay whatever you want." Are you on f—ing crack? Do you really believe that's a business model that works?

SO WHAT IF MUSIC JUST BECOMES FREE AND ARTISTS MAKE THEIR LIVING OFF OF TOURING AND MERCHANDISE?

Well therein lies the most stupid mistake anybody can make. The most important part is the music. Without that, why would you care? Even the idea that you're considering giving the music away for free makes it easier to give it away for free. The only reason why gold is expensive is because we all agree that it is. There's no real use for it, except we all agree and abide by the idea that gold costs a certain amount per ounce. As soon as you give people the choice to deviate from it, you have chaos and anarchy. And that's what going on.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071114/music_nm/kiss_dc_1

Originally posted by sweetcell:
can't entirely agree there. as a guitar player, i'm sure you appreciate the time and dedication is takes to learn an instrument, write good songs, etc.

Ok a lot of musicians have achieved their success by practicing for years and years and honing their craft and blah. But there's plenty of musicians/singers who came out of nowhere and became popular really fast simply because their style and current tastes matched up.

You can't say that about pro athletes. For one thing, you can either run 100 yards in 4.35 or you can't. Plus almost all of them has spent their lives dedicated to sports, practicing, training, games, etc. Even the douchiest of them, Deion, Terrell, Irvin, (naturally Cowboys) worked their asses off for years to reach the highest level. Hardly anyone just stumbles into a pro sports career.

I can't even remember what we were talking about.

"jealous much?" - heather chandler

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
IT HAS BEEN NINE YEARS SINCE WE'VE SEEN A NEW KISS ALBUM. ANY PLANS TO GET BACK INTO THE STUDIO?

There is nothing in me that wants to go in there and do new music.

Say it ain't so, Gene! No more Sinatra-level interpretations like your version of The Prodigy's "Firestarter?"

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:

SO WHAT IF MUSIC JUST BECOMES FREE AND ARTISTS MAKE THEIR LIVING OFF OF TOURING AND MERCHANDISE?

Well therein lies the most stupid mistake anybody can make. The most important part is the music.

This coming from a man who has almost entirely made his living off touring and merchandise and not music. The hypocrisy is amazing. It's no coincidence that he also once said "Dress British, Think Yiddish."

Brian

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Everyone's favorite singing Scientologist

http://www.tmz.com/2007/11/11/scientolocouple-picks-up-new-pad/

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
There's a big difference between being lean and hungry, and buying a 7 million dollar house in West Hollywood, like one indie hero just did.

who?

Uh…who said Beck is an indie hero? Correct me if I'm wrong, but Beck has been on a major label since his first album (released on DGC Records, otherwise known as Geffen Records). Granted, he put out one album on K Records, and one on Flipside…but his last two were on Interscope. He's been associated with Geffen for a long, long time.

EDIT: Beck's first record was actually One Foot in the Grave, but it was released on Flipside after Mellow Gold.

From Wiki:

Geffen Records was founded in 1980 by music industry businessman David Geffen who, in the early 1970s, had formed Asylum Records. Geffen stepped down from Asylum after being diagnosed with a cancerous cyst but, following confirmation that the growth was benign, returned to work and struck a deal with Warner Bros. Records to create Geffen Records. Warner provided 100 percent of the funding for the label's operations, while Geffen retained 50 percent of the profits, and distributed its records. (International distribution outside the US and Canada, meanwhile, moved from WEA in 1982 to CBS until 1990.)

anybody who is not celine dion is indie, nowadays.

gene simmons - a douche and a dinosaur.

The only reason why gold is expensive is because we all agree that it is. There's no real use for it, except we all agree and abide by the idea that gold costs a certain amount per ounce. As soon as you give people the choice to deviate from it, you have chaos and anarchy. And that's what going on.

no, idiot, the reason why gold has value is because of scarcity. also, it's a physical good that can't be digitally reproduced at zero cost. he has no idea what he's talking about… again.

Call me a socialist, but I don't think anybody should make more than 500K in a year. Musician, athlete, ceo, whoever.

how much does seth make?