Uh, Oh. Here Come The Tourists!

Originally posted by kled:
Yeah, but what are you gonna do, just sit in your barren new home and stare at the walls? I'd rather rent and have all the beer and music I want.

No, I'm going to sit in my modestly furnished house, have a fair amount of beer and music and watch my equity pile up.

Like Hoya said, are you defending these kids? If so, please explain.

Originally posted by Doomter Doc:
I've heard stories of kids throwing stones at yuppie bicyclists, but that's about it.

Originally posted by kled:
"Actually, it's not that hard to become a homeowner, if you're willing to go without $17 pork chops, $7 Yuenglings, and $40 concert tickets."

Yeah, but what are you gonna do, just sit in your barren new home and stare at the walls? I'd rather rent and have all the beer and music I want.

I actually agree with Rhett – I don't go out for dinner nearly as often as some friends. I do go to a lot of shows, and I like to have folks over to drink – great way to save money (though mostly it's just a choice because you can catch up more). Also, a friend across the way has an amazing roofdeck…(this is city living as well!)

I'm certainly not defending the stone-throwing kids, just saying I understand the motive. I hope you understand the difference. As a bike rider, I'd be pissed if some kid threw rocks at me, and I'd probably try to club him with my U-lock, but I'd understand where he was coming from.

Also, I need to point out that USA Today isn't exactly what would be considered a scholarly resource.

ps, on the subject of bikes I'm selling a Jamis Coda city bike if anyone needs one…

Originally posted by Doomter Doc:
Also, I need to point out that USA Today isn't exactly what would be considered a scholarly resource.

LOL. Yeah, I thought the same thing. Also, the article came off very slanted especially as it often contradicted itself as it went along.

As I said before, White neo-con guilt.

Perhaps the stone thrower needs to work a bit harder in school and in life, then he can become a yuppie himself.

Originally posted by Doomter Doc:
I'm certainly not defending the stone-throwing kids, just saying I understand the motive. I hope you understand the difference. As a bike rider, I'd be pissed if some kid threw rocks at me, and I'd probably try to club him with my U-lock, but I'd understand where he was coming from.

Also, I need to point out that USA Today isn't exactly what would be considered a scholarly resource.

ps, on the subject of bikes I'm selling a Jamis Coda city bike if anyone needs one…

Originally posted by Doomter Doc:
Also, I need to point out that USA Today isn't exactly what would be considered a scholarly resource.

No, it's not. However, McPaper is merely reporting on the findings of the "scholarly resources" of Columbia and Duke.

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
No, it's not. However, McPaper is merely reporting on the findings of the "scholarly resources" of Columbia and Duke.

Please look into the original sources of this reportage, and then get back to us with a brief synopsis as well as your assessment as to whether USA Today's account was accurate. Thanks.

Originally posted by Doomter Doc:

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
No, it's not. However, McPaper is merely reporting on the findings of the "scholarly resources" of Columbia and Duke.

Please look into the original sources of this reportage, and then get back to us with a brief synopsis as well as your assessment as to whether USA Today's account was accurate. Thanks.

OK, slick.

In the meantime, you can continue to proffer your unsubstantiated claims of mass displacement and explain how that diaspora so traumatizes the remaining indigenous youth that they have no alternative but to take up the only arms their impoverished existence affords and use those to assault the boojy white conquerors.

Originally posted by Jaguar:
As I said before, White neo-con guilt.

A specious claim, as it rests on an assumption that neo-cons feel guilt….

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:

Originally posted by Jaguar:
As I said before, White neo-con guilt.

A specious claim, as it rests on an assumption that neo-cons feel guilt….

Yes, I was going to state something along those lines but then decided to drop the subject where it was. :p

By the same token, I believe that an equal amount of the upper crust gentry are out of touch dems who have completely lost touch with all that they claim to support and a fair amount of them aren't even White. Oh, the irony!

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:

Originally posted by Jaguar:
As I said before, White neo-con guilt.

A specious claim, as it rests on an assumption that neo-cons feel guilt….

the only guilt that neo-cons have right now is that they didn't think of the oil plot in "24" first.

And what motive is this? If it's anything other than kids being pricks, I'd be surprised.

Originally posted by Doomter Doc:
I'm certainly not defending the stone-throwing kids, just saying I understand the motive.

You all need to stop arguing, and hug. Please.

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Originally posted by MindCage:

Originally posted by Chaz, Lover of all Beings:
I didn't know those little industrial DJ kits came with a high horse. Get over yourself, dude.

They come with a high horse and some knowledge of how the area has changed in the last 10+ years while supporting many of the establishments in the area the whole time. Unlike the majority that's moved in within the last 2 years. All they know it's a "hot" real estate market and an "upcoming" area. They couldn't give a shit about the elderly Etheopian woman who has lived there for 20 years and has the market on the corner of the block. They see that as a place "urban" people only will step foot in because it's not Whole Foods on P St. Therefore, when people hang outside of these smaller Mom and Pop markets they see it as "trouble" and want the store gone and put her store out of business. What do they want some shitty clothing store or overpriced furniture store in place of it? Funny no one had the problem before some douchebag that just dropped $700K on a 1 bedroom condo that is afraid of the "urban" living even during the daytime. I believe the Washington Post had an article about this very same thing regarding Paradise Liquor on 14th and T St. Something like "I didn't want to subject my guests that come to visit me to see bulletproof glass." So it's not about a high horse as it is wanting to perserve my neighborhood and keep it friendly and diverse. We've had great neighborhood block parties every summer. In the last two years it's gotten smaller and smaller only because these new people don't want to associate with the rest of us.

Like Jaguar said "I just don't want to be eventually forced out by the elite taking over and pushing the more affordable activities out." Unfortunately Jag…it's already been happening and will continue to happen. Think about it…Polly's raised their prices that were just so rediculous for that place only because the newer trendy places were coming in at $10 burgers. Republic Gardens had to change around quite a bit if it even thought about staying open in the neighborhood. Why do you think they have such crazy table service for such a shithole? Because the new neighborhood bitched about all the "colored" people frequenting the neighborhood for Republic Gardens and being loud. So to help with the clientel, they've just made it more expensive hoping to elimiate the lower class people that use to frequent Republic Gardens. Neighborhood Association meetings are rather amusing sometimes. They wouldn't flat out say they were trying to shutdown every club that catered to "colored" people but funny how they keep targeting them. I have more of an issue with the suburban white kids coming in and leaving all their bottles from the drive in and pissing in the alleys before the drive home.

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I agree with a majority of your points Mindcage, but your "I was here first" attitude as well as the constant downtown street-cred pissing contest you constantly engage in here smacks of the same elitism you rail against.

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
The poor stay put

…in cities or neighborhoods/areas that have well developed rent control districts and public housing developments. Those residents don't have much of a choice.

The majority of the country is not set-up like this (DC included) and gentrification certainly exists. Look at Houston's Third and Fourth Ward for examples. This Freeman and Vigdor study cites two poor examples of smaller neighborhoods that may not be indicative of the city as a whole, and certainly aren't indicative of the rest of the country.

I can assure you that gentrification exists on a neighborhood basis in SF (like The Tenderloin and The Mission), but is less prevelant in the further south you go of Market due to the concentration of public housing in and around Hunters Point.

A really good study would be the effect new ballparks have on neighborhoods. When you build a new ballpark, the area is rezoned as a economic improvement district and certain limitations on public housing and rent control are removed/altered. Cleveland and the area around Pac Bell/SBC/AT&T Park have clearly been gentrified (and to some extent Baltimore, but that's a different conversation all together. Neither New York nor Boston have had a new ballpark in nearly 40 years.

Originally posted by vansmack:
A really good study would be the effect new ballparks have on neighborhoods. When you build a new ballpark, the area is rezoned as a economic improvement district and certain limitations on public housing and rent control are removed/altered. Cleveland and the area around Pac Bell/SBC/AT&amp;T Park have clearly been gentrified (and to some extent Baltimore, but that's a different conversation all together. Neither New York nor Boston have had a new ballpark in nearly 40 years.

Look at what MCI Center did to Chinatown. Not only is it a booming residential center (and more business sustainability due to restaurants, etc., for employees), but it's a huge tourist center. Which, alas, brought some of those chains (Fuddruckers, TGIFriday, Coyote Ugly, Hooters), but who am I to complain. The chains bring the tourists who bring the MONEY.

Originally posted by you be betty:
You all need to stop arguing, and hug. Please.

You just wait – you'll be one of us yet. ;)

Well, I just got back from an 8 night vacation in the Cayman Islands and the surf and turf I got one night was 55 bucks. So give me a 17 dollar meal any day this week!!!!!!!

Great vacation though, can't say I'm happy to be back.