What am I thankful for?

1. Now, or at least soon there will be a entire generation of young people who have never heard of The Beatles, John Lennon, any "classic rock" and the entire Rolling Stone magazine generation of cultural imperialism will die a swift but very PAINFUL death.

2. Soon all the baby boomers with either be dead or incapacitated by hip replacements, knee replacements and/or the medical insurance not covering Viagra.

3. I was able to pick up the deluxe, limited-edition version of "Infinity on High" at Circuit City for $9.99 and just ordered the 180 gram audiophile vinyl special edition of "The Black Parade" that comes in a slip-case box, with 2 - 15 page books and 2 triple gatefold sleeves.

It makes the perfect gift.

Brian
Well seeing as there are a number of classic rock tracks in Guitar Hero III, it ain't going away anytime soon.
I'm thankful for the fact that it's getting closer and closer to the time when 90's music will be added to classic rock.

Generation X radio on DC 101 this past weekend was pretty awesome.
I'm thankful that bands like the Beatles and Stones (neither of which I'm a big fan of) are still remembered 40+ years later, and that there's not one single band that formed in the 90's like Fall Out Boy that will be rembered in the 30's!!! Fuck, they won't be remembered in the 10's
i'm thankful for this thread
Pretty sure Fall Out Boy didn't form until like 2004. Either way, no one will care in five years.
i'm thankful that daisies grow where the clouds do blow, and that sunshine is all around. also i like ice cream cones and seeing the first snow, plus people eating their supper at night. ponies and cows, low class and high brows, and marshmallows melting on the fire.

and the fact that a new book by scott mcclellan might actually just shed some light.
Originally posted by Brain Walrus:
and that there's not one single band that formed in the 90's like Fall Out Boy that will be rembered in the 30's!!! Fuck, they won't be remembered in the 10's
You're right. In three years, no one will know who Pearl Jam, Radiohead, the Smashing Pumpkins, Nine Inch Nails, Green Day, or the Beastie Boys are. :roll:
Originally posted by walkonby:
i'm thankful that daisies grow where the clouds do blow, and that sunshine is all around. also i like ice cream cones and seeing the first snow, plus people eating their supper at night. ponies and cows, low class and high brows, and marshmallows melting on the fire.
My heavens, how did I not pickup before yesterday that you are, apparently, the gayest gay man in all of Gayville?
Originally posted by Brain Walrus:
I'm thankful that bands like the Beatles and Stones (neither of which I'm a big fan of) are still remembered 40+ years later, and that there's not one single band that formed in the 90's like Fall Out Boy that will be rembered in the 30's!!! Fuck, they won't be remembered in the 10's
That's what I don't understand. Why do you want great music to last forever? That's like saving a Big Mac! Music is like flowers. They die and new ones grow. Rock music shouldn't mean . It should just "be." Right here, Right NOW. If Fall Out Boy or My Chemical Romance fade away, I won't be bothered. There will always be something new and exciting coming along. There always is. I don't understand nostalgic people who INSIST that "The Beatles must last forever!" "People will listen to Bruce Springsteen long after Fall Out Boy has been forgotten!" Jesus! Who cares? You're like some virgin, comic book fan who's arguing who would win in a fight between Superman and Spiderman. I've never heard someone my age say "Man, My Chemical Romance will last forever! My KIDS will be listening to them!" They really don't care. They aren't Rolling Stone magazine making a Top 100 list of the greatest albums of all time or having a tribute issue to John Lennon.

Why? WHY? Why are you SO concerned with Classic Rock music living forever? Why is it of VITAL IMPORTANCE that twenty years from now people still revere "How Soon is Now?', "Imagine" or "Smells Like Teen Spirit?" It's like forcing kids to read Shakespeare. Shakespeare means NOTHING to kidsâ?? lives. And it's so clever and pretentious and smug it will cause kids to HATE it. Believe it or not, that's going to fade quickly in another ten years. All this f'ing "Cultural Literacy." I'm thankful for THAT. Music should have an expiration date, like milk. Because the shit you're furiously masturbating over (Beatles, Lennon, Springsteen, Led Zeppelin, Morrissey/The Smiths, The Who, etc.) is seriously beginning to smell.

Brian
You're overdoing it, Brian. Your original schtick of praising FOB and MCR was amusing, but now you're forced to be even more superficial and ignorant since that's all you got. You've painted yourself into a corner, and I fully expect you to come on here now and say that 2girls1cup is ten times the cinematic experience that the Godfather is.

It's probably about time to have a wedding, funeral, bout of amnesia or sudden arrival of an identical twin.
Maybe it's just me but personally when I don't care about something I just simply don't think about it as opposed to creating a pseudo-theory and writing a mini-essay on said pseudo-theory, gotta love the internet.
November 20, 2007
Op-Ed Columnist

The Segmented Society

By DAVID BROOKS
On Feb. 9, 1964, the Beatles played on â??The Ed Sullivan Show.â? Or as Steven Van Zandt remembers the moment: â??It was the beginning of my life.â?

Van Zandt fell for the Beatles and discovered the blues and early rock music that inspired them. He played in a series of bands on the Jersey shore, and when a friend wanted to draw on his encyclopedic blues knowledge for a song called â??Tenth Avenue Freeze-Out,â? Van Zandt wound up as a guitarist for Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band.

The 1970s were a great moment for musical integration. Artists like the Rolling Stones and Springsteen drew on a range of musical influences and produced songs that might be country-influenced, soul-influenced, blues-influenced or a combination of all three. These mega-groups attracted gigantic followings and can still fill huge arenas.

But cultural history has pivot moments, and at some point toward the end of the 1970s or the early 1980s, the era of integration gave way to the era of fragmentation. There are now dozens of niche musical genres where there used to be this thing called rock. There are many bands that can fill 5,000-seat theaters, but there are almost no new groups with the broad following or longevity of the Rolling Stones, Springsteen or U2.

People have been writing about the fragmentation of American music for decades. Back in the Feb. 18, 1982, issue of Time, Jay Cocks wrote that American music was in splinters. But year after year, the segmentation builds.

Last month, for example, Sasha Frere-Jones wrote an essay in The New Yorker noting that indie rock is now almost completely white, lacking even the motifs of African-American popular music. Carl Wilson countered in Slate that indie rockâ??s real wall is social; itâ??s the genre for the liberal-arts-college upper-middle class.

Technology drives some of the fragmentation. Computers allow musicians to produce a broader range of sounds. Top 40 radio no longer serves as the gateway for the listening public. Music industry executives can use market research to divide consumers into narrower and narrower slices.

But other causes flow from the temper of the times. Itâ??s considered inappropriate or even immoral for white musicians to appropriate African-American styles. And thereâ??s the rise of the mass educated class.

People who have built up cultural capital and pride themselves on their superior discernment are naturally going to cultivate ever more obscure musical tastes. Iâ??m not sure they enjoy music more than the throngs who sat around listening to Led Zeppelin, but they can certainly feel more individualistic and special.

Van Zandt grew up in one era and now thrives in the other, but how long can mega-groups like the E Street Band still tour?

â??This could be the last time,â? he says.

He argues that if the Rolling Stones came along now, they wouldnâ??t be able to get mass airtime because there is no broadcast vehicle for all-purpose rock. And he says that most young musicians donâ??t know the roots and traditions of their music. They donâ??t have broad musical vocabularies to draw on when they are writing songs.

As a result, much of their music (and here Iâ??m bowdlerizing his language) stinks.

He describes a musical culture that has lost touch with its common roots. And as he speaks, I hear the echoes of thousands of other interviews concerning dozens of other spheres.

It seems that whatever story I cover, people are anxious about fragmentation and longing for cohesion. This is the driving fear behind the inequality and immigration debates, behind worries of polarization and behind the entire Obama candidacy.

If you go to marketing conferences, you realize we really are in the era of the long tail. In any given industry, companies are dividing the marketplace into narrower and more segmented lifestyle niches.

Van Zandt has a way to counter all this, at least where music is concerned. Heâ??s drawn up a high school music curriculum that tells American history through music. It would introduce students to Muddy Waters, the Mississippi Sheiks, Bob Dylan and the Allman Brothers. Heâ??s trying to use music to motivate and engage students, but most of all, he is trying to establish a canon, a common tradition that reminds students that they are inheritors of a long conversation.

And Van Zandt is doing something that is going to be increasingly necessary for foundations and civic groups. We live in an age in which the technological and commercial momentum drives fragmentation. Itâ??s going to be necessary to set up countervailing forces â?? institutions that span social, class and ethnic lines.

Music used to do this. Not so much anymore.
Brian..maybe you should take up drinking and get off the internet.
So by putting an expiration date on music, you deny future generations from hearing great music not only whats considered "classic" but lesser know and just as worthy. i.e. Nuggets, Cult bands like Big Star, Love, Velvet Underground, etc. What about 60s Soul and R&B, 80s synth pop. Why is it so wrong for someone to hear the original version of something like "Kick Out The Jams"

The musical landscape would be awful dire, if musicians could listen to music from a defined period of time. As it there are already way to many young bands eager to make it "big" by emulating whats marketable.
Can we all just agree that "The Big Chill" is the worst movie ever made and "American Pie" the worst song ever written and move along?
Originally posted by kosmo:
Can we all just agree that "The Big Chill" is the worst movie ever made and "American Pie" the worst song ever written and move along?
I agree with that. Although, I'd take votes for "Imagine", too.

Brian
There is nothing 'new' anymore. So there will never be anything 'new and exciting' around the corner….it's all been done before so bands today are nothing original, they're just tribute bands of bands in the past.

I meant 90's+, not just the 90's btw…

You're right. In three years, no one will know who Pearl Jam, Radiohead, the Smashing Pumpkins, Nine Inch Nails, Green Day, or the Beastie Boys are
In three years maybe, in 33…not a fucking chance….my case in point, you didn't even list Nirvana who were supposed to be the saviours, and they slipped your mind.