Originally posted by redsock:totally and completelly 400% agree with you. i love fort reno, but yeah, it would be nice to see a bit more variation there. the fact that bands like WSC and Exit Clov are getting shut out is just absurd. i'm pretty sure that Amanda Mackaye still does booking.
Donâ??t hold your breath waiting for Exit Clov Betty, it wonâ??t happen. I imagine they fall into the same crowd as WSC. Ft. Reno is very disappointing in some ways, and no, not just because my girlfriendâ??s band never gets to play it. The series is really a microcosm of what is wrong â?? and a little right â?? about the DC scene.
It is without a doubt, an old-boys network. Partially because of who books the series, Amanda Mackaye (Iâ??m assuming she is still doing it, though others have done it in the past), and the fact that she obviously has a huge connection to the â??Dischordâ? crowd. The same bands are on the series year after year, and while that is all fine and good, some additional variety would be nice. I tried to look up the last few yearâ??s schedules on archive,org, and while last year wasnâ??t there, many of the bands are repeats (Gist, Sentai, Citygoats, Metropolitan, Hard Tomorrows). Good bands the lot of them, but every year?
In some ways I guess it is nice to have an homage to the â??old-schoolâ? DisChord heyday, especially since the Ft. Reno series really came from all that. But completely shutting out a number of bands who are very much a part of the DC scene right now seems alienating and unproductive, and builds frustration and friction among bands who arenâ??t allowed in. I could go on, as I really find the musical dynamic in this city fascinating. But my point here was merely to call out the fact I think the Ft. Reno series is flawed, but since the people putting it together reside in a self-created bubble, nothing about it is likely to change.
Ft Reno '06
And now that you've pointed it out, redsock, it should be on DCist by the end of the day and then it will surely make it's way back to the organizers.
Originally posted by redsock:Couldn't have said it better Redsox..we didn't even bother applying this year for the same reasons…a shame really cos there are a bunch of bands who'd luv to play it..specially since its pretty hard for local bands to target the under 21 crowd unless you are lucky enough to play the BC/9:30 3 to 4 times a year..
Donâ??t hold your breath waiting for Exit Clov Betty, it wonâ??t happen. I imagine they fall into the same crowd as WSC. Ft. Reno is very disappointing in some ways, and no, not just because my girlfriendâ??s band never gets to play it. The series is really a microcosm of what is wrong â?? and a little right â?? about the DC scene.
It is without a doubt, an old-boys network. Partially because of who books the series, Amanda Mackaye (Iâ??m assuming she is still doing it, though others have done it in the past), and the fact that she obviously has a huge connection to the â??Dischordâ? crowd. The same bands are on the series year after year, and while that is all fine and good, some additional variety would be nice. I tried to look up the last few yearâ??s schedules on archive,org, and while last year wasnâ??t there, many of the bands are repeats (Gist, Sentai, Citygoats, Metropolitan, Hard Tomorrows). Good bands the lot of them, but every year?
In some ways I guess it is nice to have an homage to the â??old-schoolâ? DisChord heyday, especially since the Ft. Reno series really came from all that. But completely shutting out a number of bands who are very much a part of the DC scene right now seems alienating and unproductive, and builds frustration and friction among bands who arenâ??t allowed in. I could go on, as I really find the musical dynamic in this city fascinating. But my point here was merely to call out the fact I think the Ft. Reno series is flawed, but since the people putting it together reside in a self-created bubble, nothing about it is likely to change.
can't we do anything about it? lots of TBAs still on the sched?
as smackie said, maybe DCist will 'borrow' this and make it one of their burning issues
as smackie said, maybe DCist will 'borrow' this and make it one of their burning issues
Originally posted by vansmack:Wait, was that sarcasm? I thought DCist only pays attention to us for concert announcments.
And now that you've pointed it out, redsock, it should be on DCist by the end of the day and then it will surely make it's way back to the organizers.
Originally posted by you be betty:Its her. . One of my good friend's college friend got his tape directly to her somehow and chatted her up. . and they're due to play. Their name has escaped me though.
i'm pretty sure that Amanda Mackaye still does booking.
Originally posted by Graace:Yep. And I know she definitely works at all the shows.
Originally posted by you be betty:Its her. . One of my good friend's college friend got his tape directly to her somehow and chatted her up. . and they're due to play. Their name has escaped me though.
i'm pretty sure that Amanda Mackaye still does booking.
Who on here is a DCist spy?
Nothing against DCist or the Fort Reno organizers, but those two subsets of Washingtonians seem very socially distinct. I mean, is DCist going to invite Mark Andersen to one of their wine tasting soirees?
ft reno has been going for almost 40 yrs. when did the discord crowd take over?
Another one not on the list above from Dischord's website:
July 6th - Antelope, French Toast
I'm all for complaining in most cases but Fort Reno is free and the volunteer organizers put a lot of work into it.
Also an important point, some of these bands that are being mentioned as being shut out might have bigger heads than you think and may demand specific nights, openers, etc that just can't be accomidated.
And if it gets to the point where bands are giving up and not even submitting, how do you hope to change the situation?
I'm not saying this is the be all, end all, Ft. Reno is perfect, argument, but I wish people would appreciate it a little more for what it is.
So, to quote those awful old radio commercials: "Not a sermon, Just a Thought"
July 6th - Antelope, French Toast
I'm all for complaining in most cases but Fort Reno is free and the volunteer organizers put a lot of work into it.
Also an important point, some of these bands that are being mentioned as being shut out might have bigger heads than you think and may demand specific nights, openers, etc that just can't be accomidated.
And if it gets to the point where bands are giving up and not even submitting, how do you hope to change the situation?
I'm not saying this is the be all, end all, Ft. Reno is perfect, argument, but I wish people would appreciate it a little more for what it is.
So, to quote those awful old radio commercials: "Not a sermon, Just a Thought"
I appreciate these folks putting on these shows for free, volunteering their time etc, but the selection process is a classic example of the Good Ol' Boys network in action. The pallete of bands hasn't changed in years and years. The band names have changed, but not the DNA.
And to suggest that bands aren't getting chosen because they are too demanding is hilarious.
Fico, you never should have put that ounce of cocaine in your rider! I think maybe it cost you the gig, dude.
And to suggest that bands aren't getting chosen because they are too demanding is hilarious.
Fico, you never should have put that ounce of cocaine in your rider! I think maybe it cost you the gig, dude.
Originally posted by kcjones119:Without a doubt the Ft. Reno folks do a lot to bring us great music for free all summer, and I am not trying to take anything away from that. My comments weren't meant to shrug off their hard work. And it also wouldn't surprise me if a band like WSC has issues with who they play with etc. But I know bands like the Clov and Cedars (and many others) would be excited just to get on any bill.
Another one not on the list above from Dischord's website:
July 6th - Antelope, French Toast
I'm all for complaining in most cases but Fort Reno is free and the volunteer organizers put a lot of work into it.
Also an important point, some of these bands that are being mentioned as being shut out might have bigger heads than you think and may demand specific nights, openers, etc that just can't be accomidated.
And if it gets to the point where bands are giving up and not even submitting, how do you hope to change the situation?
I'm not saying this is the be all, end all, Ft. Reno is perfect, argument, but I wish people would appreciate it a little more for what it is.
So, to quote those awful old radio commercials: "Not a sermon, Just a Thought"
Look, I'm sure the organizers get a million applications, and do not have the time to respond to each one and say "sorry, didn't work out this year, please try again next year though." Believe me, I get that. But how does a band like Cedars know if they will ever be considered or if Amanda (or whomever) just throws it out? Not making it after 2 or 3 years, especially with all the slots available, understandeably can frustrate a band to the point that they just give up. I honestly wonder how many bands that play Ft. Reno actually submit anything in the first place.
Originally posted by Alex:"
needs more ted leo
Originally posted by anarchist:anarchist- quit living in 2002….
what about the annual fugazi,dplan,q+notu shows? or did i mean evens.
maybe it's because exit clov sucks?
Originally posted by tigers scare me:If by suck you mean the same way as your mom during her solo scene in "Gummin' Grannies X: the X is for Xtra Cum," no, they don't suck like that.
maybe it's because exit clov sucks?
Of course, the Ft. Reno folks might not like their music much. If that's your point you might be right.
Originally posted by redsock:sucks for you, eh?
Originally posted by tigers scare me:If by suck you mean the same way as your mom during her solo scene in "Gummin' Grannies X: the X is for Xtra Cum," no, they don't suck like that.
maybe it's because exit clov sucks?
Originally posted by tigers scare me:we love Exit Clov. can it.
maybe it's because exit clov sucks?
Originally posted by you be betty:glad you like 'em. they are not my cuppa cuppa.
Originally posted by tigers scare me:we love Exit Clov. can it.
maybe it's because exit clov sucks?
I worked a ton of Ft. Reno shows over the years, and they had a wide variety of stuff. Remember the Velocity Girl days? That was a very not discord period.
And Gwar did a show there? Well Rawg the all Gwar cover band.
I know one thing they try to do is have bands of kids in the neighborhood play. After working with those kids many times, you appriciate any band with an idea of how to play live.
And Gwar did a show there? Well Rawg the all Gwar cover band.
I know one thing they try to do is have bands of kids in the neighborhood play. After working with those kids many times, you appriciate any band with an idea of how to play live.