Bearman teaches yet another valuable lesson in life. I love how any argument can happen in this forum while the topic is about someone's death. This is more fun than blabbermouth, but really because I go to this club.
sean taylor shot
btw i hear sean taylor is in a coma and i wish him a full recovery.
Thanks…I'm glad someone is learning something of value around here.
Sean has now passed away. RIP
Word. All reports say the guy had really turned his life around in the past year of so. It looks like past deeds may have come back to haunt.
RIP, and best hopes for his baby girl.
RIP, and best hopes for his baby girl.
I'm not a Skins fan (and definitely not a Miami Hurricanes fan), but this is really sad (notwithstanding my flippant comments above).
The scary part of this story is that he supposedly knew that he was being targeted and someone broke into his house a week prior, leaving a knife there as a "sign". Why in god's name was he staying there with his girlfriend and BABY?!
The scary part of this story is that he supposedly knew that he was being targeted and someone broke into his house a week prior, leaving a knife there as a "sign". Why in god's name was he staying there with his girlfriend and BABY?!
Originally posted by chaz:unless you're pol pot or something, people generally speak well of the dead/dying
Word. All reports say the guy had really turned his life around in the past year of so.
Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
unless you're Julian, good manners AFICIONADO or something, people generally speak well of the dead
What a loss. Taylor was such a talented player.
My heart goes out to his family, friends, teammates and the entire Washington community.
My heart goes out to his family, friends, teammates and the entire Washington community.
Does anyone think that this Sunday's game could be postponed because of this?
Do you know of any recent case like this one, when a team had to play after a terrible loss of one of their players?
Do you know of any recent case like this one, when a team had to play after a terrible loss of one of their players?
game will not be postponed - not an official fact, just my very very self-assured belief. would be happy to bet on it :)
no, i've never heard of a game being delayed for a death.
no, i've never heard of a game being delayed for a death.
Live radio show on now.
Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:No, this was the general concensus before this incident.
Originally posted by chaz:unless you're pol pot or something, people generally speak well of the dead/dying
Word. All reports say the guy had really turned his life around in the past year of so.
Originally posted by chaz:well, maybe he did turn a corner, but i liked wilbon's skeptical take on it during his chat yesterday
Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:No, this was the general concensus before this incident.
Originally posted by chaz:unless you're pol pot or something, people generally speak well of the dead/dying
Word. All reports say the guy had really turned his life around in the past year of so.
Columbia, Md.: What makes you think that Taylor was still embracing his old ways? Everything we have heard from the Redskins and Portis is that this is a new Sean. Apparently the birth of his child really helped to straighten him out. Is this contrary to what you know?
Michael Wilbon: Sorry, but I'm not in the habit of having companies with their own public relations agenda tell me about black men and what they feel or don't feel. Pardon me if I'm not that easy.
Originally posted by sweetcell:not for football at least (other than 9/11). . .baseball will postpone games for deaths of active players though.
game will not be postponed - not an official fact, just my very very self-assured belief. would be happy to bet on it :)
no, i've never heard of a game being delayed for a death.
Except it was his teammates (not the PR firms) saying they saw a change in Taylor.
Wilbon is good at representing the 'outsiders' perspective.
Wilbon is good at representing the 'outsiders' perspective.
Originally posted by Mobius:i really don't mean to belabor the point, but if a reporter asked me if my friend had changed for the better, i'd probably respond in the affirmative
Except it was his teammates (not the PR firms) saying they saw a change in Taylor.
not saying the guy was gang-banging on his off-days, just offering some healthy skepticism
Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:I hear you…21 was definately no angel and there's a really good chance that past misdeeds had come back to haunt him and ultimately cost him his life. I don't share Wilbon's opinion that this is no big shock or no surprise or whatever he said. This is shocking and surprising news. But if you asked me which Redskin this was most likely to happen to Taylor would have been my answer.
Originally posted by Mobius:i really don't mean to belabor the point, but if a reporter asked me if my friend had changed for the better, i'd probably respond in the affirmative
Except it was his teammates (not the PR firms) saying they saw a change in Taylor.
not saying the guy was gang-banging on his off-days, just offering some healthy skepticism
Just sayin…long before this happened many folks around him had been commenting that he's done a lot of growing up since some of his past troubles.
Taylor's Death Is Tragic but Not Surprising
By Leonard Shapiro
Special to washingtonpost.com
Tuesday, November 27, 2007; 12:28 PM
A few years ago, I was allowed to spend what became a thoroughly illuminating afternoon at the NFL's rookie symposium, then, a four-day session held at Lansdowne Resort near Leesburg. Every drafted rookie was and still is required to attend an annual event designed to prepare the players for a wide variety of issues they would soon be facing as highly visible professional athletes.
One of the more compelling elements that day was a series of skits put on by a professional acting troupe based in New York. A wide variety of scenarios was played out on the stage; from a scene in a club showing an athlete losing his temper when his girlfriend was groped by a drunken bar fly to a young player confronted by his larcenous cousin wanting him to buy a recently stolen sound system at a very reduced rate.
At the dramatic high point of each presentation, at about the time the player would have to make a very critical and potentially life-altering decision, a voice offstage would scream out "FREEZE!!!!!" and the actors literally stopped and became living, breathing statues. At that point, a discussion leader stepped out and opened the floor to comments and questions on how the fictional player would have, and should have handled that situation.
Consequences was the theme of the day. Everything you do has consequences, and even more so when you are young, rich and a highly visible professional athlete.
I've been thinking about that symposium ever since the news broke Monday morning that Sean Taylor, the Redskins Pro Bowl safety had been shot in an apparent burglary attempt at his home in a suburban Miami neighborhood. Tragically, Taylor died early Tuesday morning from a bullet that severed the femoral artery in his groin area. The massive loss of blood was too much for even this seemingly superbly conditioned athlete to overcome.
He was only 24, the father of an 18-month-old baby girl who was also in the house along with her mother, Taylor's girlfriend. And this was for real. No symposium. No actors. No questions and answers from the audience, and certainly no one around to yell "FREEZE!!!! before the madness in Miami escalated into murder. The consequence of who knows what?
At the moment, it is far too soon to draw any conclusions as to how or why this tragedy occurred, why another young black man is now dead from a gunshot wound in his own home, why another athlete, Michael Vick, Pacman Jones, Tank Johnson, and now Sean Taylor becomes headline news for all the wrong reasons.
Certainly it would be terribly easy to rush toward some sort of instant judgment based on what we think we all knew about Taylor and the sort of life he once, and for all we know, still led. But really, we know nothing at the moment, and until we do, "may he rest in peace" ought to be the operative phrase for this day.
Still, could anyone honestly say they never saw this coming? You'd have to be blind not to considering Taylor's checkered past. It was only a few months after he was drafted, when we got something of an inkling of what sort of young man the Redskins were selecting out of the University of Miami with the fifth overall selection in 2004.
For one, Taylor brazenly skipped the rookie symposium he was required to attend his first year, and was fined accordingly by the NFL. You also can look at the timeline of his professional life printed on this web site or in the newspaper and draw your own preliminary conclusions.
Over the first few years Taylor was in the league, he bounced from one scrape to another, blowing off the symposium, disrespecting Hall of Fame coach Joe Gibbs by not showing up for mandatory offseason workouts and never calling to explain why, running afoul of the law in a widely reported shooting incident in South Florida and very nearly going to jail.
On the field, Taylor often was a thoroughly undisciplined player who loved to make bold statements with vicious and often dangerous hits that occasionally got him tossed from games. Clearly, he seemed to embrace the thug image on and off the field, and the fact that he rarely spoke to members of the media only enhanced his reputation as a moody, enigmatic athlete we hardly ever got to know.
My colleague, Post columnist and ESPN broadcaster Michael Wilbon was asked about Taylor during his weekly internet web site discussion Monday and said, "I've known guys like Taylor all my life, grew up with some. They still have shades of gray and shouldn't be painted in black and white.
"I know how I feel about Taylor, and this latest news isn't surprising in the least, not to me. Whether this incident is or isn't random, Taylor grew up in a violent world, embraced it, claimed it, loved to run in it and refused to divorce himself from it. He ain't the first and won't be the last. We have no idea what happened, or if what we know now will be revised later. It's sad, yes, but hardly surprising."
In the wake of his shooting, we are now hearing about a so-called new Sean Taylor, a guy who seemed to be getting his life back in order, perhaps because of the birth of his child. Maybe a light bulb finally went off in his head. He was even enjoying arguably the best season of his career until he was derailed by a knee injury two weeks ago.
After a loss to Dallas two weeks ago, everyone around here, and in the Redskins locker room, was saying there was no way Terrell Owens would have caught four touchdown passes if Taylor had been patrolling the middle of the field, prepared to pounce and pound the yappy receiver any chance he got.
And on Monday, a stream of Redskins players and coaches were paraded in front of the cameras and microphones at Redskins Park to testify that Taylor had truly turned his life around for the better.
"The man changed his life," said running back Clinton Portis, his best friend and a former Miami teammate. "That man changed his mentality, changed his attitude. He came to work with a defined happiness."
But now, Sean Taylor will never come to work again. Never mind the impact of his loss on the football team, the last thing anyone ought to be thinking about at the moment. Instead, we need to focus on why this unspeakable tragedy happened and how we can keep it from happening to so many other young men soon to be attending rookie symposiums of their own.
If everything we're hearing about his life turnaround is true, surely Taylor would have been a marvelous speaker to show up at the 2008 session this spring. Maybe this time, when the man off stage shouts "FREEZE!!!!" everyone in the room will be thinking about truth, and consequences and surely paying a lot more attention.
By Leonard Shapiro
Special to washingtonpost.com
Tuesday, November 27, 2007; 12:28 PM
A few years ago, I was allowed to spend what became a thoroughly illuminating afternoon at the NFL's rookie symposium, then, a four-day session held at Lansdowne Resort near Leesburg. Every drafted rookie was and still is required to attend an annual event designed to prepare the players for a wide variety of issues they would soon be facing as highly visible professional athletes.
One of the more compelling elements that day was a series of skits put on by a professional acting troupe based in New York. A wide variety of scenarios was played out on the stage; from a scene in a club showing an athlete losing his temper when his girlfriend was groped by a drunken bar fly to a young player confronted by his larcenous cousin wanting him to buy a recently stolen sound system at a very reduced rate.
At the dramatic high point of each presentation, at about the time the player would have to make a very critical and potentially life-altering decision, a voice offstage would scream out "FREEZE!!!!!" and the actors literally stopped and became living, breathing statues. At that point, a discussion leader stepped out and opened the floor to comments and questions on how the fictional player would have, and should have handled that situation.
Consequences was the theme of the day. Everything you do has consequences, and even more so when you are young, rich and a highly visible professional athlete.
I've been thinking about that symposium ever since the news broke Monday morning that Sean Taylor, the Redskins Pro Bowl safety had been shot in an apparent burglary attempt at his home in a suburban Miami neighborhood. Tragically, Taylor died early Tuesday morning from a bullet that severed the femoral artery in his groin area. The massive loss of blood was too much for even this seemingly superbly conditioned athlete to overcome.
He was only 24, the father of an 18-month-old baby girl who was also in the house along with her mother, Taylor's girlfriend. And this was for real. No symposium. No actors. No questions and answers from the audience, and certainly no one around to yell "FREEZE!!!! before the madness in Miami escalated into murder. The consequence of who knows what?
At the moment, it is far too soon to draw any conclusions as to how or why this tragedy occurred, why another young black man is now dead from a gunshot wound in his own home, why another athlete, Michael Vick, Pacman Jones, Tank Johnson, and now Sean Taylor becomes headline news for all the wrong reasons.
Certainly it would be terribly easy to rush toward some sort of instant judgment based on what we think we all knew about Taylor and the sort of life he once, and for all we know, still led. But really, we know nothing at the moment, and until we do, "may he rest in peace" ought to be the operative phrase for this day.
Still, could anyone honestly say they never saw this coming? You'd have to be blind not to considering Taylor's checkered past. It was only a few months after he was drafted, when we got something of an inkling of what sort of young man the Redskins were selecting out of the University of Miami with the fifth overall selection in 2004.
For one, Taylor brazenly skipped the rookie symposium he was required to attend his first year, and was fined accordingly by the NFL. You also can look at the timeline of his professional life printed on this web site or in the newspaper and draw your own preliminary conclusions.
Over the first few years Taylor was in the league, he bounced from one scrape to another, blowing off the symposium, disrespecting Hall of Fame coach Joe Gibbs by not showing up for mandatory offseason workouts and never calling to explain why, running afoul of the law in a widely reported shooting incident in South Florida and very nearly going to jail.
On the field, Taylor often was a thoroughly undisciplined player who loved to make bold statements with vicious and often dangerous hits that occasionally got him tossed from games. Clearly, he seemed to embrace the thug image on and off the field, and the fact that he rarely spoke to members of the media only enhanced his reputation as a moody, enigmatic athlete we hardly ever got to know.
My colleague, Post columnist and ESPN broadcaster Michael Wilbon was asked about Taylor during his weekly internet web site discussion Monday and said, "I've known guys like Taylor all my life, grew up with some. They still have shades of gray and shouldn't be painted in black and white.
"I know how I feel about Taylor, and this latest news isn't surprising in the least, not to me. Whether this incident is or isn't random, Taylor grew up in a violent world, embraced it, claimed it, loved to run in it and refused to divorce himself from it. He ain't the first and won't be the last. We have no idea what happened, or if what we know now will be revised later. It's sad, yes, but hardly surprising."
In the wake of his shooting, we are now hearing about a so-called new Sean Taylor, a guy who seemed to be getting his life back in order, perhaps because of the birth of his child. Maybe a light bulb finally went off in his head. He was even enjoying arguably the best season of his career until he was derailed by a knee injury two weeks ago.
After a loss to Dallas two weeks ago, everyone around here, and in the Redskins locker room, was saying there was no way Terrell Owens would have caught four touchdown passes if Taylor had been patrolling the middle of the field, prepared to pounce and pound the yappy receiver any chance he got.
And on Monday, a stream of Redskins players and coaches were paraded in front of the cameras and microphones at Redskins Park to testify that Taylor had truly turned his life around for the better.
"The man changed his life," said running back Clinton Portis, his best friend and a former Miami teammate. "That man changed his mentality, changed his attitude. He came to work with a defined happiness."
But now, Sean Taylor will never come to work again. Never mind the impact of his loss on the football team, the last thing anyone ought to be thinking about at the moment. Instead, we need to focus on why this unspeakable tragedy happened and how we can keep it from happening to so many other young men soon to be attending rookie symposiums of their own.
If everything we're hearing about his life turnaround is true, surely Taylor would have been a marvelous speaker to show up at the 2008 session this spring. Maybe this time, when the man off stage shouts "FREEZE!!!!" everyone in the room will be thinking about truth, and consequences and surely paying a lot more attention.
this is not hfstival.com
Originally posted by Lambofgodfan:
Originally posted by sweetcell:LMAO this a forum..if you care about my grammar so much you have no life..
Originally posted by Lambofgodfan:"you're"
this guy does have a temper problem but when your at the level that he is at life you can't afford to be a pussy.