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Motley Crue roll call!!!!

Rhett Miller
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Re: Motley Crue roll call!!!! March 08, 2005 at 08:03 PM UTC #
http://foreverill.com/disc/howsoon.htm

"And they've made several marketing disasters which have really been quite crippling to us in personal ways. For instance, the release of the last single. 'How Soon Is Now' was released in an abhorrent sleeve - and the time and the dedication that we put into the sleeves and artwork, it was tearful when we finally saw the record… And also we can discuss a video they made. It had absolutely nothing to do with the Smiths - but quite naturally we were swamped with letters from very distressed American friends saying, 'Why on earth did you make this foul video?' And of course it must be understood that Sire made that video, and we saw the video and we said to Sire, 'You can't possibly release this… this degrading video.' And they said, 'Well, maybe you shouldn't really be on our label.' It was quite disastrous - and it need hardly be mentioned that they also listed the video under the title 'How Soon Is Soon,' which… where does one begin, really?"
- Morrissey on Sire Records, Creem, 1985

Originally posted by Bags:
No, there was a video for "How Soon Is Now" when it was a single… Granted, they didn't make many, but they made some, and not only late in their history.

Originally posted by tenfifteen:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
Must have been later in their careers. One of the things the Morrissey prided himself on the early days was not selling out to MTV/ music video.
Definitely much later, and now that I think about it, they may have been nothing more than performance clips. But there is a DVD, and as I recall, it has a few videos in addition to some hacked together live clips. I believe Morrissey aptly called videos "promotional films."
Fico
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Re: Motley Crue roll call!!!! March 08, 2005 at 08:07 PM UTC #
I have the Smith's video collection so they DID make videos. Sure, half of the collection were lip-synching performances on horribly cheesy shows..but that was videos back then…until Duran Duran came along..

Through videos I learned about Morrisey's jean-back-pocket-gardening fixation…
bags
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Re: Motley Crue roll call!!!! March 08, 2005 at 08:10 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
http://foreverill.com/disc/howsoon.htm
Holy moly. Where do you end and GGW begin…. ;)
ggw
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Re: Motley Crue roll call!!!! March 08, 2005 at 08:13 PM UTC #
And all of this proves their commonality with punk in which way….?

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Shout at the Devil went Gold in Jan 1984; platinum in September.

Too Fast for Love went gold in Feb 1984.
not that you're even talking about the same thing (videos). but:

Too Fast for Love came out in 1981 (on Elektra in 82). so thats over 2 years!

Shout at the Devil was released in early 83 and ONLY went platinum because

a) it said Devil on it.

b) they toured with Ozzy Osbourne the entire summer of 1994.
Venerable Bede
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Re: Motley Crue roll call!!!! March 08, 2005 at 08:19 PM UTC #
Originally posted by M¡s§ Må®kL³:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
Well, the Smiths refused to make videos.

As did Joe Jackson.
is that a joke?? there's definately a video for "stepping out," and i wanna say there's one for "is she really going out with him"
ggw
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Re: Motley Crue roll call!!!! March 08, 2005 at 08:21 PM UTC #
Maybe that's the Sugar Ray version.

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
i wanna say there's one for "is she really going out with him"
HoyaSaxa03
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Re: Motley Crue roll call!!!! March 08, 2005 at 08:29 PM UTC #
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
And all of this proves their commonality with punk in which way….?
yeah, my initial question was why the Crue were covering "Anarchy in the UK" when ….

i just always had the impression that early (76-77) punk bands like the sex pistols were out to kill glam rock and bombastic metal like queen and zep and had serious beef with big rock stars … i guess the crue didn't come around until a bit later though …

I'm not trying to call anyone out here, I'm just honestly curious as to why they'd cover that song when it seems like they're from completely different worlds and the Sex Pistols would hate Crue … is there something i'm not seeing here?
thatguy
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Re: Motley Crue roll call!!!! March 08, 2005 at 08:45 PM UTC #
i don't know why they played it originally, but they did make a couple of changes to the song. they technically play "anarchy in the usa," and change all of the acronyms in the middle appropriately. it was released on their first(?) greatest hits album "decade of decadence" about 10 years ago, and that's why they play it now.
ggw
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Re: Motley Crue roll call!!!! March 08, 2005 at 08:49 PM UTC #
Talking of Americans, John (Lydon) recently saw a video of Motley Crue playing 'Anarchy in the UK' at Donington.

"I thought it was hilarious. In fact, I knew they were gonna do it, because they rang me up. They wanted the lyrics so I gave 'em to them. I thought, yipee, what fun! They put it on their 'Decade of Decadence' album. Lovely, that's money in the bank for me."

Megadeth also did 'Anarchy'.

"Yes, they did, and their version was hideous. That was the one with Steve Jones guesting on guitar, and it was horrible!"
Americans always get that sort of thing slightly wrong.
"I thought Steve got it slightly wrong too! he guffaws. "You don't guest on versions of your own songs, it's a kind of crappy thing to do."

http://www.fodderstompf.com/ARCHIVES/INTERVIEWS/vol3.html
ratioci nation
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Re: Motley Crue roll call!!!! March 08, 2005 at 08:58 PM UTC #
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:

"I thought Steve got it slightly wrong too! he guffaws. "You don't guest on versions of your own songs, it's a kind of crappy thing to do.
except for when Jimmy Page did that Kashmir thing with Puff Daddy for Godzilla, THAT WAS AWESOME!
sonickteam2
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Re: Motley Crue roll call!!!! March 08, 2005 at 09:15 PM UTC #
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
And all of this proves their commonality with punk in which way….?
those are your numbers. my point before you went to riaa.com were that, like punk, a lot of the early hair-metal bands started out only in small clubs in a small area (Motley doesnt have a NON california date until 1983!) playing to a small core fanbase. Til it got big anyway.

Living the life of drinking, drugs, women and loud music in tiny bars. they both liked leather no?

that was the point before we got into whether they were on headbangers ball early in thier career or not and when they got popular, which is the i assume, why you went to riaa.com.
ggw
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Re: Motley Crue roll call!!!! March 08, 2005 at 09:23 PM UTC #
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
those are your numbers. my point before you went to riaa.com were that, like punk, a lot of the early hair-metal bands started out only in small clubs in a small area (Motley doesnt have a NON california date until 1983!) playing to a small core fanbase. Til it got big anyway.

Living the life of drinking, drugs, women and loud music in tiny bars. they both liked leather no?
Doesn't every band start in small clubs?

Jewel started out by living in her car and playing at small clubs only in So. Cal. Is she punk? Or, is she metal?

I guess you could say that Motley Crue has four guys, like a lot of punk bands. They also have drums, guitar, and bass, like a lot of punk bands.

Beyond that, I still don't see the similarity you're talking about.
sonickteam2
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Re: Motley Crue roll call!!!! March 08, 2005 at 09:28 PM UTC #
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
And all of this proves their commonality with punk in which way….?
yeah, my initial question was why the Crue were covering "Anarchy in the UK" when ….

i just always had the impression that early (76-77) punk bands like the sex pistols were out to kill glam rock and bombastic metal like queen and zep and had serious beef with big rock stars … i guess the crue didn't come around until a bit later though …

I'm not trying to call anyone out here, I'm just honestly curious as to why they'd cover that song when it seems like they're from completely different worlds and the Sex Pistols would hate Crue … is there something i'm not seeing here?
ok, i have two things for that.

A) really, dont ever compare Motley Crue to Led Zeppelin.

B) by the time Motley Crue covered that song, heck, by the time Motley Crue FORMED , the Sex Pistols had already made thier one and only decent musical effort, and had been laid to rest, only to be worshipped for generations of fans who werent even alive when "Nevermind the Bullocks" was released, thinking they were one of the all-time great bands ever.

Why did Motley Crue cover Brownsville Station's "Smokin In The Boys Room"? Why did they cover "Helter Skelter"? i am sure the Beatles dont like em!

but in reality, Motley Crue made many many more records than the Sex Pistols, partied just as hard, and just because they didnt die or something doesnt make them not worthy to sing a crappier bands songs (which they are feeding thier families on the royalties now)

and dont pretend that if the Sex Pistols would've stayed around that they wouldn't have been on MTV cause you know they would've….

now you can all flame me (except Rob i suppose)
sonickteam2
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Re: Motley Crue roll call!!!! March 08, 2005 at 09:43 PM UTC #
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Doesn't every band start in small clubs?

Jewel started out by living in her car and playing at small clubs only in So. Cal. Is she punk? Or, is she metal?
i hope you didnt pull a muscle on that Jewel stretch!!

i would explain further, but i honestly think even if you DID see the similarity (or at least enough of one to say they arent COMPLETELY different, which is really all i was trying to do) you would find a way to change the subject and disagree. :)
sonickteam2
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Re: Motley Crue roll call!!!! March 08, 2005 at 09:48 PM UTC #
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:

Beyond that, I still don't see the similarity you're talking about.
how about we try this,

whats the BIG difference. what makes the early punk scene and the early hair metal scene completely 180 degrees different??
ggw
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Re: Motley Crue roll call!!!! March 08, 2005 at 09:48 PM UTC #
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Why did they cover "Helter Skelter"?
Will you now elucidate how the Beatles and Motley Crue are alike?
Rhett Miller
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Re: Motley Crue roll call!!!! March 08, 2005 at 09:53 PM UTC #
For starters, I don't think misogyny and homophobia were components of punk, as I sense them to be part of the hair metal scene.

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:

Beyond that, I still don't see the similarity you're talking about.
how about we try this,

whats the BIG difference. what makes the early punk scene and the early hair metal scene completely 180 degrees different??
sonickteam2
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Re: Motley Crue roll call!!!! March 08, 2005 at 09:56 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
For starters, I don't think misogyny and homophobia were components of punk, as I sense them to be part of the hair metal scene.

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thats a good one. better than the nothing that ggw suggested. :)

i dont know that punks in the 70s were really gay lovers though.
ggw
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Re: Motley Crue roll call!!!! March 08, 2005 at 10:01 PM UTC #
Motley Crue was all about getting laid, getting stoned, getting drunk, and making it "big." (At least that is what I gleaned from Behind The Music.)

I'd say that the vast majority of punk bands were most certainly not driven by the desire to make it big. Perhaps the Sex Pistols were the exception, but even there, it was more about publicity and sticking it in the face of "the man" more than about becoming a commercial success.

I don't think Jello, or Joey Ramone, or Joe Strummer or Greg Ginn or Darby Crash or Richard Hell were driven by a desire to build a pussy-shaped swimming pool.

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
whats the BIG difference. what makes the early punk scene and the early hair metal scene completely 180 degrees different??
HoyaSaxa03
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Re: Motley Crue roll call!!!! March 08, 2005 at 10:02 PM UTC #
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:

Beyond that, I still don't see the similarity you're talking about.
how about we try this,

whats the BIG difference. what makes the early punk scene and the early hair metal scene completely 180 degrees different??
very simply put, i was always just under the impression that the early punk scene was out to "kill rock stars" (as a label so succintly put it) … motley crue and hair metal (even though it wasn't around during the mid-late 70s) are the definition of "rock stars"

obviously the remaining pistol(s?) have completely sold out and aren't anything like what they used to be, so my point is kind of moot … i guess now they're just all about the $$$, so who cares who covers what, if lydon made those comments above, then they're clearly not very different at all … i can't see him saying that in 1977 though …
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