vansmack
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Re: Is Morrissey a racist?
December 11, 2007 at 05:18 PM UTC
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I actually didn't believe that Wallace was Dupek until this thread.
And Mankie is not a racist, he's just a typical old curmudgeon. Think of like your grandfather talking about the Japanese…
Brian_Walalce
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Re: Is Morrissey a racist?
December 11, 2007 at 05:33 PM UTC
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Originally posted by vansmack:
I actually didn't believe that Wallace was Dupek until this thread.
And Mankie is not a racist, he's just a typical old curmudgeon. Think of like your grandfather talking about the Japanese…
I'm glad believing these things makes you sleep better at night.
Now, go back to talking about important things like whether "The Hills" will be renewed.
Brian
HoyaSaxa03
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Re: Is Morrissey a racist?
December 11, 2007 at 05:42 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Or perhaps he came here LEGALLY (don't know if this is true).
reread his post, he's not complaining about illegal immigrants who should "wait their turn", he's complaining about people who aren't the same color skin / religion
HoyaSaxa03
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Re: Is Morrissey a racist?
December 11, 2007 at 05:45 PM UTC
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Originally posted by vansmack:
And Mankie is not a racist, he's just a typical old curmudgeon. Think of like your grandfather talking about the Japanese…
I get right up in my grandfather's face at every possible opportunity and viciously excoriate him for his archaic xenophobia and soft racism … i think he just appreciates the attention
vansmack
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Re: Is Morrissey a racist?
December 11, 2007 at 05:49 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
I get right up in my grandfather's face at every possible opportunity and viciously excoriate him for his archaic xenophobia and soft racism … i think he just appreciates the attention
Or he lined up against thousands of them with guns pointed at him. I cut my grandfather some slack for that…
vansmack
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Re: Is Morrissey a racist?
December 11, 2007 at 05:52 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
Now, go back to talking about important things like whether "The Hills" will be renewed.
I'm just happy to know you read my thread - you may actually learn something. Maybe I'll take on immigration next so you can avoid saying assinine things about immigration in the future.
HoyaSaxa03
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Re: Is Morrissey a racist?
December 11, 2007 at 06:01 PM UTC
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Originally posted by vansmack:
Or he lined up against thousands of them with guns pointed at him. I cut my grandfather some slack for that…
that's because you, sadly, are intellectually flaccid … i, on the other hand, have no problem with fashioning a theoretical construct and then sticking by it blindly through all of its logical conclusions, no matter how unreasonable or unwarranted they may seem
it ain't easy to have your family disown you due to your fervent and unrelenting promotion of cultural and moral relativism, but i stand proud in not "cutting any slack"
sweetcell
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Re: Is Morrissey a racist?
December 11, 2007 at 06:05 PM UTC
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hoya: you can also sleep well at night knowing you're not flip-flopping on the issue!
vansmack
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Re: Is Morrissey a racist?
December 11, 2007 at 06:14 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
that's because you, sadly, are intellectually flaccid … i, on the other hand, have no problem with fashioning a theoretical construct and then sticking by it blindly through all of its logical conclusions, no matter how unreasonable or unwarranted they may seem
it ain't easy to have your family disown you due to your fervent and unrelenting promotion of cultural and moral relativism, but i stand proud in not "cutting any slack"
I see years of therapy in your future….
No, I grew up in a fairly liberal household where the race was to see who could be the most liberal. I do admit, however, to cutting a little extra slack to The Greatest Generation for the effects of WWII. My grandfather despite many return trips to Europe refuses to set foot in Germany (or Austria) and refuses to buy a German or Japanese car.
Of course I know these things are ridiculous intellectually, but I could never pretend that as many books as I've read on the war, and documentaries seen, to understand what he went through those four years in France, Belgium and Germany and then on to the Pacific. And for that reason and countless nights talking to him about it and it's effects, I cut him some slack. If that makes me intellectually flaccid, so be it. I tend to think it makes me compassionate.
Brian_Walalce
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Re: Is Morrissey a racist?
December 11, 2007 at 06:24 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
it ain't easy to have your family disown you due to your fervent and unrelenting promotion of cultural and moral relativism, but i stand proud in not "cutting any slack"
Awww..do you need a hug? I'll make you a mix-tape with plenty of MCR, FOB and PATD on it, if it will make you feel better.
Brian
manimtired
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Re: Is Morrissey a racist?
December 11, 2007 at 06:29 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Brian Wallace:
Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
[qb] it ain't easy to have your family disown you due to your fervent and unrelenting promotion of cultural and moral relativism, but i stand proud in not "cutting any slack"
they might have just disowned you for being a complete douchebag too…
please tell me youre still in college..
HoyaSaxa03
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Re: Is Morrissey a racist?
December 11, 2007 at 06:36 PM UTC
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my lord, i was being sarcastic, do you think anyone could have actually meant what i wrote?
HoyaSaxa03
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Re: Is Morrissey a racist?
December 11, 2007 at 06:38 PM UTC
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Originally posted by vansmack:
If that makes me intellectually flaccid, so be it. I tend to think it makes me compassionate.
i'm surprised you carried this to its logical conclusion, i hate to break it to you, but i wasn't being truthful in my previous posts (i thought they were kind of funny, i guess that was lost on everyone)
lwoxley
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Re: Is Morrissey a racist?
December 11, 2007 at 06:39 PM UTC
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I sometimes wonder if maybe I'm speaking a foriegn language that you dumb fucks don't understand going by your responses. Or maybe it's just your tiny liberal brain-washed minds program you to offer the same response to anyone who happens to have a differing opinion of yourself.
So having an opinion that hip hop is just crap somehow translates into 'I'm afraid of hip hop and blacks'?(not that my initial comment made any reference to hip hop or black people for that matter, but you're welcome to throw your tired old race card in at will, and you do….at every opportunity)
In fact….I don't think my post said I'm afraid of anything, nor did it say I believe countries shouldn't change. England has changed and I don't like the changes, but I've accpeted them and stayed the fuck out because of them. There's world of difference from say a French family moving to Britain and living in harmony within the (now dead) British culture and a muslim family moving in and slaughtering their daughter because she had the audacity to date an English boy, then call it an 'honor killing'. Or get a job at a restaurant and refusing to touch ham, or going to an English school and demanding the school change their menu to suit them….I just ask myself why on earth did they move from their country of origin if that's how they want to live in the first place? You don't see me jumping up and down and screaming because I want to drive my car on the left side of the road do you? All they've done is give up sunny weather for pissing rain if you ask me.
And for the record, I came in this country legally, although I wish I was an illegal sometimes so I could get away without paying taxes, get a drivers license but never have to insure my car and get free medical benefits. NOw that's living the American dream!!!
I say welcome to my country, this is how we live and this is the language we speak. If you like it great, if not FUCK OFF HOME
HoyaSaxa03
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Re: Is Morrissey a racist?
December 11, 2007 at 06:43 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Brain Walrus:
I say welcome to my country, this is how we live and this is the language we speak. If you like it great, if not FUCK OFF HOME
Welcome to my wonderful country.
Here in America, we don't say things like "FUCK OFF HOME." We say "GO THE FUCK HOME"
Please stop bastardizing our beautiful language.
Thanks!
vansmack
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Re: Is Morrissey a racist?
December 11, 2007 at 06:44 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
i'm surprised you carried this to its logical conclusion, i hate to break it to you, but i wasn't being truthful in my previous posts (i thought they were kind of funny, i guess that was lost on everyone)
Hilarious - I completely missed it! In my defense it's still early here and I hadn't yet openend my Mountain Dew so my Spidey sense is off. Nicely done.
I was also watching Band of Brothers and beating Call of Duty 2 this weekend so I have a heightened WWII sense on at the moment.
HoyaSaxa03
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Re: Is Morrissey a racist?
December 11, 2007 at 06:45 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Brain Walrus:
So having an opinion that hip hop is just crap somehow translates into 'I'm afraid of hip hop and blacks'?(not that my initial comment made any reference to hip hop or black people for that matter, but you're welcome to throw your tired old race card in at will, and you do….at every opportunity)
i say this because you have transposed your "opinion that hip hop is crap" (an extremely valid opinion about music) to pretty much any type of "urban culture" on this board, and you do so….at every opportunity
vansmack
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Re: Is Morrissey a racist?
December 11, 2007 at 06:59 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Brain Walrus:
a muslim family moving in and slaughtering their daughter because she had the audacity to date an English boy, then call it an 'honor killing'.
And this is why change is good Mank. If you do that in Britian or America, you go to jail for murder, and the more these things are dealt with in a manner that fits today's society, the more progress will be made in societies that are stuck in the 16th century. That's why I welcome more immigrants to developed societies, and if they faced more welcoming and had help assimilating rather than "FECK OFF HOME" they'd be much more likely to embrace your developed society rather than revert to their ancient ways.
Originally posted by Brain Walrus:
And for the record, I came in this country legally
Um, I'm not even going to touch that.
HoyaSaxa03
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Re: Is Morrissey a racist?
December 11, 2007 at 07:03 PM UTC
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Originally posted by vansmack:
the more these things are dealt with in a manner that fits today's society, the more progress will be made in societies that are stuck in the 6th century.
there you go
Brian_Walalce
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Re: Is Morrissey a racist?
December 11, 2007 at 07:09 PM UTC
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Originally posted by vansmack:
If you do that in Britian or America, you go to jail for murder, and the more these things are dealt with in a manner that fits today's society, the more progress will be made in societies that are stuck in the 16th century. That's why I welcome more immigrants to developed societies, and if they faced more welcoming and had help assimilating rather than "FECK OFF HOME" they'd be much more likely to embrace your developed society rather than revert to their ancient ways.
Oh, that's awful. So naive and unrealistic. Everything's rainbows and moonbeams in your world, isn't it? Do you fart cotton candy, too? I hope to God you're not a lawyer.
Fantastic song. Why wasn't this in their set list for the "Turn It On Again 2007" tour? Brian