00's Superlatives

BookerT wrote:
i think radiohead were plenty influential. maybe not in the same way as the strokes, who spawned countless imitators in terms of actual sound. but radiohead was a very popular band that played, y'know, guitar rock, then completely revamped their sound and changed directions, and it was then that they went from being radiohead to RADIOHEAD OMGO OMGOMGOMG!!!!! that artistic free will, or whatever you wanna call it, will have a more lasting influence than a particular "sound" that gave us the vines and the cribs. everyone pretty much looks to radiohead for "what comes next," that's not really the case with any other band.

that's a good point, and they could be looked to later down the line as first big band that changed the industry's business model

they were pretty much done with "guitar rock" by the 00's, though… their transformation happened in the 90s

BookerT wrote:
i think radiohead were plenty influential. maybe not in the same way as the strokes, who spawned countless imitators in terms of actual sound. but radiohead was a very popular band that played, y'know, guitar rock, then completely revamped their sound and changed directions, and it was then that they went from being radiohead to RADIOHEAD OMGO OMGOMGOMG!!!!! that artistic free will, or whatever you wanna call it, will have a more lasting influence than a particular "sound" that gave us the vines and the cribs. everyone pretty much looks to radiohead for "what comes next," that's not really the case with any other band.

Seconded.  

I'd add that releasing "In Rainbows" for free is a HUGE influence on what will come next in the music industry - just look at the big time artists that followed them down that path after they broke the door down.

HoyaSaxa03 wrote:

BookerT wrote:
i think radiohead were plenty influential. maybe not in the same way as the strokes, who spawned countless imitators in terms of actual sound. but radiohead was a very popular band that played, y'know, guitar rock, then completely revamped their sound and changed directions, and it was then that they went from being radiohead to RADIOHEAD OMGO OMGOMGOMG!!!!! that artistic free will, or whatever you wanna call it, will have a more lasting influence than a particular "sound" that gave us the vines and the cribs. everyone pretty much looks to radiohead for "what comes next," that's not really the case with any other band.

they were pretty much done with "guitar rock" by the 00's, though… their transformation happened in the 90s

Not quite - Kid A was released in 2000.

callat703 wrote:

HoyaSaxa03 wrote:

BookerT wrote:
i think radiohead were plenty influential. maybe not in the same way as the strokes, who spawned countless imitators in terms of actual sound. but radiohead was a very popular band that played, y'know, guitar rock, then completely revamped their sound and changed directions, and it was then that they went from being radiohead to RADIOHEAD OMGO OMGOMGOMG!!!!! that artistic free will, or whatever you wanna call it, will have a more lasting influence than a particular "sound" that gave us the vines and the cribs. everyone pretty much looks to radiohead for "what comes next," that's not really the case with any other band.

they were pretty much done with "guitar rock" by the 00's, though… their transformation happened in the 90s

Not quite - Kid A was released in 2000.

do they play guitar on Kid A?

"O'Brien began to keep an online studio diary of the band's progress.[19] He later described Radiohead's change in style during this period: "If you're going to make a different-sounding record, you have to change the methodology. And it's scary?everyone feels insecure. I'm a guitarist and suddenly it's like, well, there are no guitars on this track, or no drums".[9] Drummer Phil Selway also found it hard to adjust to the recording sessions.[9]"
– http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kid_A

HoyaSaxa03 wrote:

callat703 wrote:

HoyaSaxa03 wrote:

BookerT wrote:
i think radiohead were plenty influential. maybe not in the same way as the strokes, who spawned countless imitators in terms of actual sound. but radiohead was a very popular band that played, y'know, guitar rock, then completely revamped their sound and changed directions, and it was then that they went from being radiohead to RADIOHEAD OMGO OMGOMGOMG!!!!! that artistic free will, or whatever you wanna call it, will have a more lasting influence than a particular "sound" that gave us the vines and the cribs. everyone pretty much looks to radiohead for "what comes next," that's not really the case with any other band.

they were pretty much done with "guitar rock" by the 00's, though… their transformation happened in the 90s

Not quite - Kid A was released in 2000.

do they play guitar on Kid A?

Sure - there is guitar on all of their albums.  But I think common opinion is that Kid A is when Radiohead took the huge creative left turn.

cont…

bela fleck with or without the flecktones

mars volta

polyphonic spree

travis

system of a down

best comeback of the decade -  sinead o'conner

Would James Murphy qualify as someone who has been wildly influential/relevant in the 2000's?

My thing with that is, I'm considering most of the 2000's, and that whole movement didn't really kick off in a "relevant" way until about 2005. So…too soon?

ixkpd-bk wrote:
Would James Murphy qualify as someone who has been wildly influential/relevant in the 2000's?

My thing with that is, I'm considering most of the 2000's, and that whole movement didn't really kick off in a "relevant" way until about 2005. So…too soon?

no way, "dance-punk" or whatever the hell you want to call it was pretty huge by 2003:  DFA put out Radio 4's "Gotham" in 2002 and totally blew up with the Rapture's "Echoes" in 2003 … Out Hud's "S.T.R.E.E.T. D.A.D." was also 2002 and !!! blew up in 2003 with "Me and Giuliani…" but were getting popular in 2001 and 2002 as well

i'd actually peg 2003 as the apex of "that whole movement"

I know he's dead and he really only put out 2 LP's worth of stuff in the 00's, but I still think "From a Basement on the Hill" and "Figure 8" by Elliott Smith are pretty remarkable.

MVPs of 2001 seem to have defined the aughts:

Radiohead
The Strokes
The White Stripes
Jay-Z
Daft Punk



. . . and female artists? . . . how about Gwen Stefani . . . and on the flip side Cat Power

callat703 wrote:

ixkpd-bk wrote:
I guess my criteria for this would be someone who has managed to maintain a steady stream of influence and buzz around them, primarily for their music.

Can I nominate a band?  If so: Radiohead.

I wondered about nominating them too, and then also thought of: Wilco.

Are the noms superlatives, or determined by justifying relevance?

From this list, i'll take Jens and M. Ward, and add Neko Case and Josh Rouse with Andrew Bird and Ron Sexsmith slightly behind them. Brendan's Lapalco was phenomenal, but his followup was average, and his debut was from the 90's. I pretty much don't care for anybody else on your list, sari.


Best Pop/Rock Songwriters of the Decade
Carl Newman
Jens Lekman
Ted Leo
John Darnielle
Matt Pond
Brendan Benson
John Vanderslice
M. Ward

El wrote:
Are the noms superlatives, or determined by justifying relevance?

read the original post… write about whatever you want (most relevant, best, whatever), but describe the parameters somehow so we can argue about your pick without getting caught up parsing the criteria you used

Charlie wrote:
From this list, i'll take Jens and M. Ward, and add Neko Case and Josh Rouse with Andrew Bird and Ron Sexsmith slightly behind them.

totally agree about Andrew Bird, not sure how I left him off my original list… Neko and Josh Rouse should also be on there, good calls

Charlie wrote:
From this list, i'll take Jens and M. Ward, and add Neko Case and Josh Rouse with Andrew Bird and Ron Sexsmith slightly behind them. Brendan's Lapalco was phenomenal, but his followup was average, and his debut was from the 90's. I pretty much don't care for anybody else on your list, sari.


Best Pop/Rock Songwriters of the Decade
Carl Newman
Jens Lekman
Ted Leo
John Darnielle
Matt Pond
Brendan Benson
John Vanderslice
M. Ward

Charlie, thoughts on Josh Ritter?
You might not, but I would nom Glen Hansard. :)

I did go back to the original, just checking to see if parameters had changed based on responses.;)  My original pick, Death Cab, someone asked the difference between DCFC and Modest Mouse. Not sure, pretty even, my own personal experience is DCFC is better known among more age groups. Also, not being snarky, but curious if this gives them a leg: Ben Gibbard and a Grammy nom.

Best album of the decade for me- meaning my favorite- is Los Amigos Invisibles "Venezuelan Zinga Son".. what a party record!

Good call, El Tee. i'd put Josh Ritter in there too. If I hand to rank them, it would be:

Rouse
Ward
Case
Lekman
Ritter
Bird
Sexsmith
Benson

And Nick Lowe has only put out two albums this decade, but he's have to be in there simply because he's Nick Lowe. (and the two albums were good)

And the 2008 albums from both Kasey Chambers (with her husband) and Hayes Carll are both stellar. Though maybe one great album doesn't get you on my list.

Bobby Bare Jr. would also be close.

And you're right, Hansard wouldn't rank. He'd probably be below everyone on Hoya's list. :)

El wrote:

Charlie wrote:
From this list, i'll take Jens and M. Ward, and add Neko Case and Josh Rouse with Andrew Bird and Ron Sexsmith slightly behind them. Brendan's Lapalco was phenomenal, but his followup was average, and his debut was from the 90's. I pretty much don't care for anybody else on your list, sari.


Best Pop/Rock Songwriters of the Decade
Carl Newman
Jens Lekman
Ted Leo
John Darnielle
Matt Pond
Brendan Benson
John Vanderslice
M. Ward

Charlie, thoughts on Josh Ritter?
You might not, but I would nom Glen Hansard. :)

I did go back to the original, just checking to see if parameters had changed based on responses.;)  My original pick, Death Cab, someone asked the difference between DCFC and Modest Mouse. Not sure, pretty even, my own personal experience is DCFC is better known among more age groups. Also, not being snarky, but curious if this gives them a leg: Ben Gibbard and a Grammy nom.

So, in other words, every band and musician that's put music in the last nine years.

Basically any band that's not called "Muse" or "Marney Stern".

Relaxer wrote:
So, in other words, every band and musician that's put music in the last nine years.