2009 Grammy Awards

hutch wrote:
Charlie wrote:
My wife saw Adele and commented, "Who's that? She looks like the girl who couldn't get a date to the prom."


nice to see you and your wife have merged into one big giant dickhead.


Are you implying she is wrong? Come one, she's spot on with that one.




http://www.sputnikmusic.com/album.php?reviewid=25949

Summary: Music for fat, pubescent girls to get dumped to.

Think the British sense of humour is more sophisticated and refined than its American equivalent? Think again. Earlier this year, Adele's "Chasing Pavements" became a national sensation in both pubs and playgrounds, as boy and man alike tried to work out what the hell this girl was singing on this song that had suddenly started appearing everywhere. Popular suggestions included both the silly ('Should I hiccup?') and the outright brilliant ('Would it be a waste/If I just came on your face?'). Even people who were seriously trying to figure it out thought the song was either called "Chasing Payment" or "Chasing Paper". It was a fleeting mondegreen classic.

The reason this review starts with that story is that it's the most interesting thing about Adele. This in spite of the amount of money, hype, and transparent PR that has followed her since day one - the girl won a Brit award before she'd even released anything substantial, for Christ's sake. They invented a whole new award just so that could happen, too. Then they paid off all the radio stations to play "Chasing Pavements" even more often than they were playing "Valerie" and "Rehab", hoping that they could catch some of that Winehouse lightning before people got tired of it.

And the PR! Something about it makes me want to praise it as cynical genius, an attempt to fuse the appeal of the three most talked-about female artists in the British media right now. She was alternatively painted as a straight-talking, sassy London girl (Lily Allen), a husky-voiced appreciator of classic soul (Amy Winehouse), and really fat (Beth Ditto). Oh, and they made sure to tell everybody that 19 was both named after her weight in stones (thus making her an icon for fat women who are proud to be fat, like Ditto), and was inspired by a break-up, just the same way that Back in Black was. If you're fourteen and female, you could be forgiven for being taken in by all this rhetoric. Take her interviews and her press at face value and Adele seems strong, smart, talented, and a little bit dangerous. She doesn't care what she looks like or what anybody thinks, and doesn't think you should either; but, should you get dumped, she's there to sing a pretty song in your ear, too. It's more than a little reminiscent of the Spice Girls. If Adele had tunes as good as they did.

Both as a singer and as a songwriter, Adele is incredibly naive - so much so that, at times, you feel slightly sorry for her. She should never have been thrust into the limelight as early as this, because with a little maturity, experience, and training her voice could be a potentially devastating emotional weapon. She just has no idea how to use it yet. Adele doesn't sound like any of her contemporaries as much as she sounds like a blonde Texan in the American Idol auditions trying to sing a song by a Dusty Springfield or a Roberta Flack in the style of Mariah Carey or Christina Aguilera. Her vocal showiness, her forced huskiness, her badly judged breath control; they all detract from her songs. Nowhere is this more obvious than on her hopelessly incompetent reading of Bob Dylan's "Make You Feel My Love".

Not that her own songs suffer too much; largely, they're mediocre in the first place. "Cold Shoulder" is the best thing here, and that's entirely because of Mark Ronson's golden touch rather than Adele. "Chasing Pavements" could have been good, but the over-the-top arrangement and Adele's unabashed vocal ground it in slightly embarrassing territory, and Adele's insistence on spending a verse repeating the chorus lyrics just smacks of laziness. The arrangements, in fact, offer another problem throughout, and it's a problem that contrasts entirely with "Chasing Pavements" - they're too basic. Adele's voice isn't yet strong enough to carry a song on its own, so why so many of the songs here have so little in the way of instrumentation is baffling. The bigger arrangements are an improvement, but they lack the imagination that characterizes the finest musical moments of Winehouse and Duffy. The melodies are largely indistinct, almost certainly the result of not putting much effort into writing them. The lyrics are the cherry on top - quite simply, she's a poor writer. "Melt My Heart to Stone" follows up its poorly conceived title with the lines 'Right under my feet/There's air made of bricks'. Okay, you get what she's trying to do - write enigmatic lines that generate interest by directly subverting expectation - but it just comes across as pointless nonsense. Elsewhere she gives in to banality far too often - is 'I like to sit on chairs and you prefer the floor' meant to be a homely, cozy picture of a loving relationship? Because it's lines like that that can put your listener into a coma.

Compared to both Back in Black and Rockferry, 19 comes off so badly you actually begin to pity Adele. It can't even stack up to Gabriella Cilmi. Estelle? Leona Lewis? Yikes. Avoid.
In the words of Olivia Palermo: "What? Like we're going to have Shamu coming down the red carpet?"
Well, I've seen Adele, and she's got a MASSIVE voice and is a charismatic performer.  Regardless of how good 19 is (and it isn't very good, really, beyond "Chasing Pavements" and "Cold Shoulder"), she's enormously talented.  I think she'll ultimately be around longer than Winehouse, Duffy, Estelle, or the rest of that crop, simply because her success is based on her voice rather than her celebrity or appearance.
Well I did see the Timberlake performance, and to me he's just always going to be a musical lightweight. I'm not sure if it's him, or the genre that he works in.

I didn't see Underwood's performance, but have on other occasions. To me, she's an example of the sad travesty that country music has become. I will give the Grammy's credit, four of the five country nominees did put out listenable albums, but to me she's not one of the four.


That Lonesome Song by Jamey Johnson
Sleepless Nights by Patty Loveless
Troubadour by George Strait
Around The Bend by Randy Travis
Heaven, Heartache And The Power Of Love by Trisha Yearwood

callat703 wrote:
Charlie wrote:
You're free to choose how seriously you take my posts. It's entirely up to you.

All I'm saying is that when it comes to music posts, there's some people on this board whose opinions I take more seriously than others. Of course, those people are often the people whose tastes are aligned with mine, but not always.

That said, I'm probably not going to take anybody who lauds both Justin Timberlake and Carrie Underwood too seriously.



More than fair.  It is worth giving them a shot, even if you don't anticipate liking it.  If you go in with the verdict already in mind, I think you miss out more often than not.  I'm also willing to bet we match up on music tastes more than you might think, but to each their own.
I don't think she holds a candle to Amy Winehouse, though I'd certainly put money on her outlasting her.

callat703 wrote:
Well, I've seen Adele, and she's got a MASSIVE voice and is a charismatic performer.  Regardless of how good 19 is (and it isn't very good, really, beyond "Chasing Pavements" and "Cold Shoulder"), she's enormously talented.  I think she'll ultimately be around longer than Winehouse, Duffy, Estelle, or the rest of that crop, simply because her success is based on her voice rather than her celebrity or appearance.
Charlie wrote:
Well I did see the Timberlake performance, and to me he's just always going to be a musical lightweight. I'm not sure if it's him, or the genre that he works in.

I didn't see Underwood's performance, but have on other occasions. To me, she's an example of the sad travesty that country music has become. I will give the Grammy's credit, four of the five country nominees did put out listenable albums, but to me she's not one of the four.


That Lonesome Song by Jamey Johnson
Sleepless Nights by Patty Loveless
Troubadour by George Strait
Around The Bend by Randy Travis
Heaven, Heartache And The Power Of Love by Trisha Yearwood


Again, fair.  I'm not a country music fan, I've never heard a Carrie Underwood album, or anything she's put down in a studio for that matter.  I've just seen her perform live on shows like this a couple of times - and I always walk away impressed.
Methinks they probably picked her to perform out of those five because she's the youngest, prettiest, and least country of the bunch.

callat703 wrote:
Charlie wrote:
Well I did see the Timberlake performance, and to me he's just always going to be a musical lightweight. I'm not sure if it's him, or the genre that he works in.

I didn't see Underwood's performance, but have on other occasions. To me, she's an example of the sad travesty that country music has become. I will give the Grammy's credit, four of the five country nominees did put out listenable albums, but to me she's not one of the four.


That Lonesome Song by Jamey Johnson
Sleepless Nights by Patty Loveless
Troubadour by George Strait
Around The Bend by Randy Travis
Heaven, Heartache And The Power Of Love by Trisha Yearwood


Again, fair.  I'm not a country music fan, I've never heard a Carrie Underwood album, or anything she's put down in a studio for that matter.  I've just seen her perform live on shows like this a couple of times - and I always walk away impressed.
If it wasn't for Barack Obama, www.I.l..LLI.LlL...aAm..M.LL.com's career would be over by now (albeit, the electoral alternative would be far worse). Then there was the cola commercial featuring him and old footage of Bob Dylan. Is there a more shameless coattail rider?
Only one word comes to mind for last night's Grammys: turgid. Not that I expected anything from it, but I tried to give it a shot. And I would venture to guess 90% of performances were lip-synched, so it's not even realistic to assume what we were seeing was raw talent.

And yeah, Whitney and Travis Barker must have been out of their minds on dope, smack, OxyContin, whatever. Everything was pretty disastrous though. I didn't think Paul McCartney was all that bad though. Watching Dave Grohl drum is always a pleasure. 
all right, back to chris brown.  so this caught my ear.  supposably rihanna has a tattoo of her "girl friend's" birthdate tattooed on her shoulder, loved to take long showers with her.  loves to hold hands with her and were seen giggling together at that trainwreck where b. spears performed on some mtv movie awards.  chris and her have been known to be arguing about something "private" for the last few weeks.

gay + hip hop / rap artist = beat down

everytime
walkonby wrote:
woman hitting party going on today i see.  and who says a full moon doesn't equal interesting things.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/9201246/Report:-WWE-wrestler-hits-female-fan-in-face?MSNHPHMA

a WWE story, housed in the Nascar section: they should just create a "redneck sports" sub-site and get it over with.
sweetcell wrote:
walkonby wrote:
woman hitting party going on today i see.  and who says a full moon doesn't equal interesting things.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/9201246/Report:-WWE-wrestler-hits-female-fan-in-face?MSNHPHMA

a WWE story, housed in the Nascar section: they should just create a "redneck sports" sub-site and get it over with.




that new U2 song sucks!  does it even meet the definition of 'song'? 

i couldn't understand what Stevie Wonder was doing w/ the Jonas Brothers until I remembered Obama's kids love them . . .and Barack and Michelle are Stevie fans . . . and Stevie is an Obama fan . . .so it turns out to be a cross-generational mix-up tailored to the Obamas . . .

Highlight for me was Robert Plant and Allison Krauss and T-Bone Burnett . . .yeah the Grammy love was predictable, but there was just something cool about seeing Plant so at ease . . .and seeing Krauss look so good . . . and the performance was nice.

Paper Planes is awesome, of course, but that 'Swagger Like Us' annoys me.  It takes a badazz song and makes it clunky and boring imo.  Plus the Hoyas play it when they come out for home games and I'm convinced its a factor in their disappointing season. 

  i didnt watch the Grammys (didnt even know they were on) and i only read the first pitiful page of this thread.  But i just wanted to give a big manimtired "LOL!" at everyone who watched the Grammy's.

  you're indie cred has been virtually stripped down to that of someone who doesnt even know Ben Gibbard is in DCFC AND the Postal Service!

  and maybe even that of a Smashing Pumpkins fan!
callat703 wrote:
 I've just seen her perform live on shows like this a couple of times - and I always walk away


me too!
callat703 wrote:
Radiohead with the marching band: Yeah, the mix was muddy, Thom Yorke didn't seem completely on…but I thought the visual effect and the arrangement was pretty gripping.

here's a youtube of RH's performance with almost acceptable sound: 15 steps, then a sheer drop.  there is another version on youtube that has a gzillion views but sounds like complete crap.  got this version from a RH msg board.
chris brown spoiler.

associate of jay-z announced today, and i quote, "you (chris) messed with the wrong crew.  he is a walking dead man."

go rap music.  it's your birthday.
walkonby wrote:
chris brown spoiler.

associate of jay-z announced today, and i quote, "you (chris) messed with the wrong crew.  he is a walking dead man."

go rap music.  it's your birthday.



this is clearly an instance where street justice is warranted.