Rhett Miller
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Re: Dress code?
March 10, 2004 at 10:12 PM UTC
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Who cares what some Formula One guy thinks of punk?
Originally posted by mark e smith:
[QB] Malcolm Mclarens view of punk was somewhat political.
markie
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Re: Dress code?
March 10, 2004 at 11:30 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Ballster:
Who cares what some Formula One guy thinks of punk?
I believe that argument is known as the red herring.
markie
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Re: Dress code?
March 10, 2004 at 11:31 PM UTC
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Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by mark e smith:
[qb] You're trying to tell me Joe Strummer wasn't political???
Mclaren was nothing more than a marketing/exploiting genius.
From what I remember of the beginning of the punk movement was it was plain and simple apathy because of the state of the country. That doesn't make it political though. The philosophy was nothing more than if it feels good do it regardless of what anyone else thinks…wether it be sex, clothing dancing, drinking, behavour..anything. "No one gives a fuck about us so neither do we"
That is the original punk rocker, to me anyway. Still doesn't make them political though, it was the Clash that brought that to the punk table.
Actually punk is anti apathy, and Strummer was not political till Rhodes told him to be.
thirsty moore
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Re: Dress code?
March 11, 2004 at 03:31 AM UTC
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So, when's this going to turn into NYC vs. London?
skeeter
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Re: Dress code?
March 11, 2004 at 01:57 PM UTC
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Originally posted by mark e smith:
Malcolm Mclarens view of punk was somewhat political. When he managed the Dolls he had them play infront of a communist banner and wear red suits.
Malcolm's view of punk was nothing more than fashion and money. There was nothing more to the above schtick other than to give the Dolls a new image. And it failed miserably.
markie
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Re: Dress code?
March 11, 2004 at 03:25 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Skeeter:
Originally posted by mark e smith:
Malcolm Mclarens view of punk was somewhat political. When he managed the Dolls he had them play infront of a communist banner and wear red suits.
Malcolm's view of punk was nothing more than fashion and money. There was nothing more to the above schtick other than to give the Dolls a new image. And it failed miserably.
Ding ding DING.
Agreed on all points. Bernie Rhodes, copied Mclaren, gave the clash a political identity and that was succesful. Probably because they started off with it, not having it thrust opon them after a couple of albums.
Considering Malcolm liked fashion and money, he did rather well for himself, infact if it were not for him I have a sneaking suspicion that we would not be arguing about punk now. I dont think there would have been a pistols or a clash, and without them there would be no joy division, new order………..
Rhett Miller
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Re: Dress code?
March 11, 2004 at 03:29 PM UTC
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And the Mekons would have skipped their whole punk rock period and become the first British honky tonk band.
markie
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Re: Dress code?
March 11, 2004 at 03:31 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Ballster:
the first British honky tonk band.
The rolling stones?
Rhett Miller
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Re: Dress code?
March 11, 2004 at 03:41 PM UTC
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…was just referencing the article in the Post Express this morning describing the Mekons as starting out during a time "when punk rock was young and dangerous…Then, something happened. In 1985, the Mekons were possessed by an older, darker, more nihilistic force than even punk rock: American honky tonk. Their album, "Fear and Whiskey" came seemingly out of nowhere, inflected with their newfound obsession with Hank Williams and Gram Parsons."
markie
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Re: Dress code?
March 11, 2004 at 03:43 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Ballster:
Their album, "Fear and Whiskey" came seemingly out of nowhere, inflected with their newfound obsession with Hank Williams and Gram Parsons."
Well punk was well dead by 85….. So does that mean you will be going to see the Mekons at iota on Sunday?
Rhett Miller
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Re: Dress code?
March 11, 2004 at 03:50 PM UTC
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We saw them at Bumbershoot in '02, as well as Jon Langford's other band, the Waco Brothers in '03 (also saw Sally Timms solo as well). They weren't bad, but not worth a second time around. The Mekons were better than the Waco Brothers.
I remember the Mekons used to always play that the little hole in the wall alternative club when i was in college in the late 80s. Never saw them then, though I did quite like their "Mekons Rock and Roll" album.
markie
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Re: Dress code?
March 11, 2004 at 03:53 PM UTC
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OK….
Thanks.
Somehow the mekons never really made any impact on me. Perhaps I will make the effort and give them a listen.
kosmo
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Re: Dress code?
March 11, 2004 at 03:56 PM UTC
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back to the original story, it appears to have been written in the mid 90's and is posted all over the internet. i wondered about the content seeing as converse has been bought up by the evil nike, can't see converse as having the same punk cred anymore.
markie
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Re: Dress code?
March 11, 2004 at 03:58 PM UTC
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Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
back to the original story, it appears to have been written in the mid 90's and is posted all over the internet. i wondered about the content seeing as converse has been bought up by the evil nike, can't see converse as having the same punk cred anymore.
Looks like its back to any boots other than Dr Martens…. <img src="
http://www.spearshoes.com/images%5CWGRANNY.JPG" alt=" - " />
markie
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Re: Dress code?
March 11, 2004 at 04:00 PM UTC
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I forgot to say, at CMJ in NY last year, converse and Levi's were both giving away stuff free to bands….. Quite funny to see all the members of a certain band Lulu is fond of in new black converse and new Levi's.
Jaguär
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Re: Dress code?
March 12, 2004 at 04:44 AM UTC
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Have to agree with the guy's view on baggy shorts. Yuck!
