Service charges a little high?

kosmo wrote:
Sugartastic wrote:
kosmo wrote:
As Seth once brilliantly stated here, and I'm paraphrasing,  "Do people go around questioning why Milk costs what it does?".  Don't like the fees don't pay them, just don't be bitter when you learn after the fact how amazing the show which one missed over some fees… 

Yeah, so then I don't buy the milk. Just like I don't buy the tickets. We've already determined it doesn't make a hill of difference if I decide not to go. Why not just end it at "don't by the tickets" and not rub in our faces?


I apologize for the harshness of this statement and it's not a fate I would wish on anyone, unless one comes around stomping their feet like a spoiled child and not even willing to take the simplest of suggestions regarding checking the availability of tickets.   Sorry again kosmo scrouge

No worries, Koz. My comment wasn't really directed at you. I realize you were speaking of the argument and paraphrasing someone else. You support concerts and patrons, I know that…Evil Santa on the other hand…must be lurking around some corner this year avoiding the forumite holiday party…;)
The Magnetic Fields broke down all the charges for every upcoming show of their tour on their site. Check it.



That's unprecedented as far as I know.
azaghal1981 wrote:
The Magnetic Fields broke down all the charges for every upcoming show of their tour on their site. Check it.

That's unprecedented as far as I know.


listing the surcharge and handling fees upfront is indeed nice, it's a little sad that such a simple move should be called "unprecedented". 

what i was really hoping for was a break-down of what % of the face value does the band get, vs. promoters, venues, etc; what % of the surchages get kicked back to the venue… the real nitty-gritty of concert finance.
>what i was really hoping for was a break-down of what % of the face value does the band get, vs. >promoters, venues, etc; what % of the surchages get kicked back to the venue… the real nitty-gritty of >concert finance.


and tell me what that would do for you
a pie chart?  :o

Seth wrote:
>what i was really hoping for was a break-down of what % of the face value does the band get, vs. >promoters, venues, etc; what % of the surchages get kicked back to the venue… the real nitty-gritty of >concert finance.


and tell me what that would do for you
Seth wrote:
>what i was really hoping for was a break-down of what % of the face value does the band get, vs. >promoters, venues, etc; what % of the surchages get kicked back to the venue… the real nitty-gritty of >concert finance.


and tell me what that would do for you


I was wondering this too  :D

Admittedly, knowledge is a bad thing. Consumers have historically been better serve by ignorance…
Thats awesome! Thats just what I want ahead of time. Dont really care who gets what, just would love to know before I start the process what its going to cost me at the end.

Might just have to become a member of BAM with all the amazing shows they get. Members dont pay any fees to get tix and usually get a few days before its open to the public to get seats. That Magnetic Fields show just got more tempting even if everyone I know is seeing them at The Town Hall.

azaghal1981 wrote:
The Magnetic Fields broke down all the charges for every upcoming show of their tour on their site. Check it.



That's unprecedented as far as I know.

Didn't Bam sell out a while ago?


I kinda want to do one or both of the Town Hall shows. I imagine that being the perfect venue for them.
The Antony show I saw there sounded amazingly crisp.
sweetcell wrote:
Admittedly, knowledge is a bad thing. Consumers have historically been better serve by ignorance…
Wow, sweets. Way to avoid the question.
Oh maybe BAM did sell out. A friend had said it didn't. Town Hall is a nice venue and has great sound. They were great there last time I saw them.

azaghal1981 wrote:
Didn't Bam sell out a while ago?


I kinda want to do one or both of the Town Hall shows. I imagine that being the perfect venue for them.
The Antony show I saw there sounded amazingly crisp.

sweetcell wrote:
what i was really hoping for was a break-down of what % of the face value does the band get, vs. promoters, venues, etc; what % of the surchages get kicked back to the venue… the real nitty-gritty of concert finance.


Why?  If I go to McD's for a burger do I care what the cashier is getting paid, how much the manager makes, or what they pay in advertising?  All I need to know is how much the burger is and then I decide if I think its worth that much.

This whole thing is very basic.  If you don't want to pay the asking price for any product/service/whatever, then simply do not pay.  The consumer sets the price in the free market system by making their purchasing decisions.
These idiots need to just move over to ticketmaster already.  What was the point of switching ticketing agencies if the fees are higher than the old one?
fatskippy wrote:
These idiots need to just move over to ticketmaster already.  What was the point of switching ticketing agencies if the fees are higher than the old one?


I think the fact that Seth testified in front of Congress about the proposed merger between TicketMaster and LiveNation might have something to do with that decision.
fatskippy wrote:
These idiots need to just move over to ticketmaster already.  What was the point of switching ticketing agencies if the fees are higher than the old one?


check your 'tude, bra

sweetcell wrote:
again, you're not organizing, you're a lone voice ranting (in a really whiny way, FYI).  a good organizer would have gotten his friends to understand the injustice at hand and motivated them to do something as minimal as sign up for a free board and say "me too".


Oh, give me a fucking break. Plenty of people here have come forward and agreed, and apparently, I'm not even close to being the first to complain about this situation. What difference does it make? If Seth doesn't give a fuck, then he doesn't give a fuck. Maybe when his venue is bankrupt, he will. Here's to hoping.



sweetcell wrote:
100% guaranteed that this show didn't sell out in advance.  you could have walked in to the show paying nothing more than face.  don't want to drive down to DC and risk a sold-out show?  ask in the FAQ if tickets will be available at the door.  oh, wait, that might be construed as sending a message to the club… nevermind.


Sold out last year, same artist, almost the same date. I dunno what your little Wikipedia adventure is supposed to prove.


sweetcell wrote:
as mentioned previously, the 930 club's surcharges are in line with other large venues.  maybe you don't make it out to big-city shows that often?  to prove it to yourself, please try ordering tickets from livenation, or ticketmaster, or another venue using ticketfly.  you'll see that surcharges are similar.  i'm not saying you don't have a right to protest, but you make it sound like it's something that only the 930 club does.  are you ranting on livenation.com too?  or do you think that the 930 owes you something?


I don't go to livenation, I don't go to other venues. I don't give a flying fuck what they charge, because I don't go there. I came here for a show, and the prices were goddamn ridiculous. It's that simple.


sweetcell wrote:
do you seriously think that seth stays up late at night, dreaming up new & innovative ways to piss of his customers - because he hates them?  do you think he's been in business this long by alienating people?


No, I think he doesn't care. There's a big difference between malevolence and apathy, but when you are charging people for a SERVICE, apathy for their needs is unacceptable.



sweetcell wrote:
you're 14 years old, aren't you?


Hmm, well, judging from your illogical responses and half-assed remarks, I could have assumed the very same.

Honestly, charge whatever you want. I've made myself clear, as have many others, on the topic, and have expressed my feelings on the matter repeatedly. There's not much that can be done if the management doesn't care for what their customers think. I've been going to this venue for almost 10 years, so being a "paying customer" who gives you "lots of money," as you so put it, has never been a question. I won't be visiting this venue, or this forum, any longer. It's quite apparent that this topic, and the issue it presses on, have been covered repeatedly, and yet those responsible have no concern for it. I can sit an argue with various anonymous people who have no control over the issue for as long as I want, but it doesn't make a difference. It's the management who matters, and clearly, the management in question has no care for the people who've put them where they are. Good luck in the future, with these kinds of practices and by treating your potential customers this way, you're DEFINITELY going to need a LOT of it.
City and Colour sold out the slightly-bigger-than-half-the-size-of-930 Black Cat last January. William Elliott Whitmore opened. I was at 930 for a different show that night and remember remarking to a staffer that "I should've went to William Elliott Whitmore instead of this" (in reference to the boring show that was there that night) or something to that effect.
well you're just a pooh-pooh head Mr Goodbomb

hmmpphh
Lots more words and yet not the simpliest of questions in the FAQ forum…..
Mr. Goodbomb is a douche.  And my guess is he will neither stop posting here (although he'll change his user name) nor will he stop buying tickets to shows.