Hieronymus wrote:Well seeing as calling a band "shitty" is giving your opinion and not a fact, your thesis doesnt hold up. Taste is subjective. You might think ES and MZ or Polyphonic Spree are shitty, but that doesnt mean they are shitty. I have (I think) decent taste in music, and love both those bands. I dont get the hate for either. So PS are happy as shit and wear matching robes, of course a metal head would probably hate them. And Edward Sharpe has catchy as hell poppy songs, so of course someone who listens to only noise or hates reverb might think they are shitty. Still doesnt make it a fact. Everyone has different tastes, thank goodness, cause if we didnt it would be extremely boring.
It's chill, even people with the best taste in the world tend to like a shitty band or two.
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killsaly wrote:Hieronymus wrote:Well seeing as calling a band "shitty" is giving your opinion and not a fact, your thesis doesnt hold up. Taste is subjective. You might think ES and MZ or Polyphonic Spree are shitty, but that doesnt mean they are shitty. I have (I think) decent taste in music, and love both those bands. I dont get the hate for either. So PS are happy as shit and wear matching robes, of course a metal head would probably hate them. And Edward Sharpe has catchy as hell poppy songs, so of course someone who listens to only noise or hates reverb might think they are shitty. Still doesnt make it a fact. Everyone has different tastes, thank goodness, cause if we didnt it would be extremely boring.
It's chill, even people with the best taste in the world tend to like a shitty band or two.
I honestly don't know what you're talking about here. I didn't claim any sorta objectivity. All I was saying was that someone else liking a band or two I don't like (i.e. think are pretty shitty) doesn't mean I think they have bad taste – and it's pretty likely I'd think that you've got decent taste. So we're really on the same page; de gustibus non disputandum est or whatever (and for the record, PS made some fine records).
And I like a lot of real poppy tunes and I'm definitely not exclusively into metal/noise/whathaveyou. I mean, fuck, I was in the front row at a Belle & Sebastian show last week (and holy Christ was it good).
If you've got any curiosity about what I find grating about Edward Sharpe, it's mostly not the songs themselves. It's the faux-Laurel Canyon pseudo-hippy trappings they cover it all in that I find a little contrived. Maybe it's just my cynicism, but there's something almost calculated about the whole project. I have trouble trusting the would-be earnestness of a song like "Home" – in short, I have the nagging feeling I'm being pandered to. And I'm not alone in this. In my experience, opinions are pretty split on these guys.
killsaly wrote:Hieronymus wrote:Well seeing as calling a band "shitty" is giving your opinion and not a fact, your thesis doesnt hold up. Taste is subjective. You might think ES and MZ or Polyphonic Spree are shitty, but that doesnt mean they are shitty. I have (I think) decent taste in music, and love both those bands. I dont get the hate for either. So PS are happy as shit and wear matching robes, of course a metal head would probably hate them. And Edward Sharpe has catchy as hell poppy songs, so of course someone who listens to only noise or hates reverb might think they are shitty. Still doesnt make it a fact. Everyone has different tastes, thank goodness, cause if we didnt it would be extremely boring.
It's chill, even people with the best taste in the world tend to like a shitty band or two.
I love polyphonic spree's second album. I must have listened to it 100 times. I like Edward Sharpe and the Mangetic Zeros too. Pavement is cool. I like some of their albums. Really this line-up is going to be amazing for me because I like so many of the bands. Matt & Kim is a band I have wanted to see for a while now.
I get not getting why some people like some bands. Wilco would be an example. I dont' see one redeming quality in their music and Jeff Tweedy is an asshole as well. But a lot of people love them..so go figure.
Hiero,
My point was:
"Of course someone else is going to think a band that someone else likes is shitty, but that doesn?t mean the band is shitty, just that these two people have different tastes."
You had said:
"It's chill, even people with the best taste in the world tend to like a shitty band or two."
I was commenting on the fact that calling a band a shitty band is pretty much meaningless since everyone has such varied taste. I guess I didn?t articulate myself well; damn my college degree isn?t paying off. I wasnt trying to say YOU didnt like noise bands or pop music or anything, those were possible examples of differing tastes.
My point was:
"Of course someone else is going to think a band that someone else likes is shitty, but that doesn?t mean the band is shitty, just that these two people have different tastes."
You had said:
"It's chill, even people with the best taste in the world tend to like a shitty band or two."
I was commenting on the fact that calling a band a shitty band is pretty much meaningless since everyone has such varied taste. I guess I didn?t articulate myself well; damn my college degree isn?t paying off. I wasnt trying to say YOU didnt like noise bands or pop music or anything, those were possible examples of differing tastes.
killsaly wrote:
Hiero,
My point was:
"Of course someone else is going to think a band that someone else likes is shitty, but that doesn?t mean the band is shitty, just that these two people have different tastes."
You had said:
"It's chill, even people with the best taste in the world tend to like a shitty band or two."
I was commenting on the fact that calling a band a shitty band is pretty much meaningless since everyone has such varied taste. I guess I didn?t articulate myself well; damn my college degree isn?t paying off. I wasnt trying to say YOU didnt like noise bands or pop music or anything, those were possible examples of differing tastes.
Ha, looks like both of us are having articulation issues. Really all I ever meant by "shitty band" was "band I don't happen to like." I should've been careful to make that distinction. Handshake?
you two should get together, play some instruments, go out on the road . . . and call yourself "shitty band".
I see. Handshake/
Hmm that sounds good… i can play guitar, drum machine, bass, and keys, what about you? ;)
Hmm that sounds good… i can play guitar, drum machine, bass, and keys, what about you? ;)
killsaly wrote:
Hmm that sounds good… i can play guitar, drum machine, bass, and keys, what about you? ;)
Y'know… sackbutt, mountain dulcimer, Jew's harp, harmonium. (Well, that's only 3/4 true but I'm a fast learner). Feel like if we combined forces we could be a Renaissance back-woods version of Neon Indian.
Rennfaire-wave is that new ish. That next level ish.
Sounds like a shitty band alright.
(Before someone jumps on me, I actually like Neon Indian a bunch.)
Hieronymus wrote:
I actually like Neon Indian a bunch.)
all musical opinions you have ever had, and will ever have, are hereby rendered null & void based on this one statement.
sweetcell wrote:Hieronymus wrote:
I actually like Neon Indian a bunch.)
all musical opinions you have ever had, and will ever have, are hereby rendered null & void based on this one statement.
Haha, back to the same shit.
hey, if that kinda of dismissal is good enough for you… ;)
Neon Indian sucks
sweetcell wrote:
hey, if that kinda of dismissal is good enough for you… ;)
Man, we've had enough Semantics 101 on this thread; I got no axes to grind. I just don't need yr approval to dance around to pop music.
Plus, I know everyone thinks they suck – fuck, that's why I jokingly brought them up to begin with.
Pavement
Mysterious shadow organization from Northern California (the bad part that no one has been to). Debut Slanted & Enchanted takes the concept of indie rock to its logical, possibly drug addled conclusion and is released in 92 in response to Spin naming it album of the year. When no one was looking, with civilization at the crossroads of the internet age and the grunge-led Alternative Rock tidal wave crashing hard, released Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain in early 94, again taking indie rock to its logical conclusion, only the exact opposite, and returned so-called alternative music back to its equilibrium and made the world safe for the future. Subsequently disappeared while still an unsubstantiated rumor only to return years later to perform at Freefest.
Mysterious shadow organization from Northern California (the bad part that no one has been to). Debut Slanted & Enchanted takes the concept of indie rock to its logical, possibly drug addled conclusion and is released in 92 in response to Spin naming it album of the year. When no one was looking, with civilization at the crossroads of the internet age and the grunge-led Alternative Rock tidal wave crashing hard, released Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain in early 94, again taking indie rock to its logical conclusion, only the exact opposite, and returned so-called alternative music back to its equilibrium and made the world safe for the future. Subsequently disappeared while still an unsubstantiated rumor only to return years later to perform at Freefest.
Hieronymus wrote:
I just don't need yr approval to dance around to pop music.
i wasn't being serious. i don't care what you do and don't like, and as many people here will attest i like plenty of "crap music" myself.
i was just coppin' an attitude… yours ;)
rock/dance on.