Why does the drummer always get screwed?

Two notable cases..

Gary Young - Pavement
Vini "Mad Dog" Lopez- Bruce Springsteen


they paid their dues and just just when the band was about to break..they got shitcanned

How did you leave Pete Best out of this?  :D :D

Julian, wrote:
How did you leave Pete Best out of this?  :D :D

oh boy… I knew there was another one…

hutch wrote:

Julian, wrote:
How did you leave Pete Best out of this?  :D :D

oh boy… I knew there was another one…

There's more. Tony Chapman left the Stones early and I'm pretty sure The Who had a drummer before Bonham but I can't remember the name. Hold on . . . *googles* . . . Doug Sandon.

Good topic. Who else can people think of?

Julian, wrote:  Tony Chapman left the Stones early and I'm pretty sure The Who had a drummer before Bonham but I can't remember the name. Hold on . . . *googles* . . . Doug Sandon.

did you mean Keith Moon?

Bonham = Zeppelin.

edit: and since i'm in pedantic mode, apparently it's Doug Sandom (often misspelled Sanden)

I have never been into Max Weinberg.. he is so robotic..totally unoriginal…. I don't really understand why Vini got let go. .i got to re-read the Bruce biography I have…

the Pete Best case is so so egregious… he was the rich guy at whose nice house they rehearsed.. all the chicks were obsessed with him and Pete Best was initially their biggest draw!!!!!!! then he gets let go for somebody that George Martin says can't handle drumming (I forget what track) and brings in a session guy!  Aspinall even ended up screwing Best's mom for pete's sake! (get it? Pete's sake! hah ha.. i'm hear all day..)

I believe in the case of Pavement and Bruce, the drummers were becoming a liability.
Plus wasn't Gary Young like 10+ year older than the rest of the band.
Also, tastes change and static drummers usually suffer in that regard.

evilizac wrote:
I believe in the case of Pavement and Bruce, the drummers were becoming a liability.
Plus wasn't Gary Young like 10+ year older than the rest of the band.
Also, tastes change and static drummers usually suffer in that regard.

well they're always a "liability" when they're let go.. but always an "asset" on the way up!

Well when it's time to start really making money and becoming a "business" the whole wildman thing is rarely an actual asset. Some start playing the role too well, too early.

sweetcell wrote:
did you mean Keith Moon?

Bonham = Zeppelin.

Whoops.

sweetcell wrote:
edit: and since i'm in pedantic mode, apparently it's Doug Sandom (often misspelled Sanden)

Pedantry uber alles.

Aaron Burkhardt and Chad Channing (Nirvana)
Kate Schellenbach (Beastie Boys)
Scott Raynor (Blink-182)

Primal Scream was always something of a revolving door but Tom McGurk got axed right before they broke big.

Tony McCarroll of Oasis got kinda screwed but not really because his fucking plodding-ass beats on Definitely Maybe are so distracting it ruins the record. Seriously, listen to any song from DM – the drumbeat is the same whether it's Cigarettes & Alcohol or Live Forever. Awful drummer, I'm glad he got fired.

Julian, wrote:
Primal Scream was always something of a revolving door but Tom McGurk got axed right before they broke big.

Speaking of which, are there any Scream fanatics who happen to know who was playing drums for them in the year 2000? I have a 03/20/2000 bootleg from Maida Vale and the drummer on that show is INSANELY good.

Relaxer wrote:

Julian, wrote:
Primal Scream was always something of a revolving door but Tom McGurk got axed right before they broke big.

Speaking of which, are there any Scream fanatics who happen to know who was playing drums for them in the year 2000? I have a 03/20/2000 bootleg from Maida Vale and the drummer on that show is INSANELY good.

its the dude from Stone Roses

maybe its the dude who replaced the dude who replaced the dude from Oasis whose dad was the dude who replaced Sandom and was taught to drum by the  dude who replaced the original dude from the Beatles?

hutch wrote:
maybe its the dude who replaced the dude who replaced the dude from Oasis whose dad was the dude who replaced Sandom and was taught to drum by the  dude who replaced the original dude from the Beatles?

The fact that that sentence isn't total horseshit is kind of amazing.

Relaxer wrote:
Tony McCarroll of Oasis got kinda screwed but not really because his fucking plodding-ass beats on Definitely Maybe are so distracting it ruins the record. Seriously, listen to any song from DM – the drumbeat is the same whether it's Cigarettes & Alcohol or Live Forever. Awful drummer, I'm glad he got fired.

He did an OK job on that LP. I don't think he ruined it. It adds kind of a garage-y feel to it. But it was time for him to go. If you put McCarroll in a drum-off with Meg White, who would win?

FYI, I met McCarroll in Ireland once and he was super nice.

hutch wrote:

Relaxer wrote:

Julian, wrote:
Primal Scream was always something of a revolving door but Tom McGurk got axed right before they broke big.

Speaking of which, are there any Scream fanatics who happen to know who was playing drums for them in the year 2000? I have a 03/20/2000 bootleg from Maida Vale and the drummer on that show is INSANELY good.

its the dude from Stone Roses

Mani from Stone Roses played bass, not drums.