March in DC

I think what they're calling a march is really a performance at Jiffy Lube.  I doubt we're going to get juggalos clogging up I-66 for 30 miles…

walkie,talkie wrote:
you really think the juggalo march is going to happen, now after all these other marches?  really?  like how many people will show?  100?  smoking weed on mall?  drinking fanyo on the steps of the Lincoln memorial?  tits out at the Vietnam memorial?  blowjobs from fat girls at the air an space museum?

whoop, whoop

I think it's easy to target Juggalos but at this juncture, everyone has a target on their back. Maybe we can get a cheap laugh at people in clown makeup, but this op-ed (link below) does a decent job of explaining why everyone has the right to protest. In this day and age where words meaning nothing, where lies are truth, where fake is real, protests actually mean something again because actions speak louder than words. Talk is pretty cheap these days, and nobody seems to be accountable for anything they say anymore. It would be short-sighted to dismiss a group of people that (if previous Juggalo gatherings indicate) could congregate into something much bigger than you'd even imagine. A huge 2-day free show (at the Lube, NOT on the Mall) with a bunch of different bands? You bet people will show up. Maybe it's not what you listen to, but this isn't the time to pull elitist attitudes about musical taste or make cracks that imply ICP's fans are uneducated. Maybe in the desire to congregate and party they'll learn something. I might also add that the rumor I'm hearing is we could see another executive order signed on Thursday, and it's anti-gay. Broadly written to appear as if it's protecting religion, but it goes so far to condone discrimination for employment, adoption, etc. So I don't think any of us are in a position to judge at this point.

Oh yeah, it's Faygo, not Fanyo.

http://time.com/4521464/insane-clown-posse-killer-clowns/

bearman wrote:

walkie,talkie wrote:
you really think the juggalo march is going to happen, now after all these other marches?  really?  like how many people will show?  100?  smoking weed on mall?  drinking fanyo on the steps of the Lincoln memorial?  tits out at the Vietnam memorial?  blowjobs from fat girls at the air an space museum?

whoop, whoop

I think it's easy to target Juggalos but at this juncture, everyone has a target on their back. Maybe we can get a cheap laugh at people in clown makeup, but this op-ed (link below) does a decent job of explaining why everyone has the right to protest. In this day and age where words meaning nothing, where lies are truth, where fake is real, protests actually mean something again because actions speak louder than words. Talk is pretty cheap these days, and nobody seems to be accountable for anything they say anymore. It would be short-sighted to dismiss a group of people that (if previous Juggalo gatherings indicate) could congregate into something much bigger than you'd even imagine. A huge 2-day free show (at the Lube, NOT on the Mall) with a bunch of different bands? You bet people will show up. Maybe it's not what you listen to, but this isn't the time to pull elitist attitudes about musical taste or make cracks that imply ICP's fans are uneducated. Maybe in the desire to congregate and party they'll learn something. I might also add that the rumor I'm hearing is we could see another executive order signed on Thursday, and it's anti-gay. Broadly written to appear as if it's protecting religion, but it goes so far to condone discrimination for employment, adoption, etc. So I don't think any of us are in a position to judge at this point.

Oh yeah, it's Faygo, not Fanyo.

http://time.com/4521464/insane-clown-posse-killer-clowns/

walky just got bearman'd.

So hot . . . when bearman, tops me.

I'm thinking of going to DCA on Wed.

walkie,talkie wrote:
So hot . . . when bearman, tops me.

WILL YOU TWO JUST KISS ALREADY?

Julian, wrote:

walkie,talkie wrote:
So hot . . . when bearman, tops me.

WILL YOU TWO JUST KISS ALREADY?

I'm more of a hugger. Everyone is too germy lately though so I'd rather just keep it in the virtual realm.

my point about the juggalo march was really about by the time every person in this country gets their "march out of the system" done, about serious rights such a gay equality, women's rights, immigrant's rights . . . does icp really think people are going to care, beyond perhaps a hundred, ok maybe a thousand people show up, because, how many years ago, the fbi said they were a gang?  didn't they win a lawsuit?  the march is all the way in September for gosh sake.  will Trump even allow marches in DC by then?

sorry about the soda name mistake.  I still have not drank one.  and the stereotype comments were based on my studying the juggalo culture for years.  I'm obsessed.  I get the whole community of it and it does draw you in like a cult.  you want to go there and you want to see, to feel the freedom of it.  like a dead lot, like the way dave Matthews used to be.  and yes, I do poke fun at the brazenly openness of the most carnal sex laws thrown out the window that go on there. 

and . . . I like to hug.  you can grab the ass better, that way.

bearman wrote:
this op-ed (link below) does a decent job of explaining why everyone has the right to protest. In this day and age where words meaning nothing, where lies are truth, where fake is real, protests actually mean something again because actions speak louder than words.

they do indeed speak louder, but i'm not convinced that spending a sunday walking around the mall with a sign is going to bring about the amount of change we need.  it's certainly a start, and we need to let those assholes know that we're upset, but if marching is all we do then i fear that it isn't enough.  and unfortunately, it can have the affect of giving people a sense of accomplishment, that they can return to the 'burbs, recycle their signs and all will be OK.

we need our politicians to stand up to this bullshit = make calls and write letters.  we need lawyers to fight these laws in court = donate to to the legal defense fund of your favorite causes (john oliver has a nice list here).  we need to support the investigative journalists who are going to shine a light on this cesspool = buy a subscription.  etc… marching accomplishes none of the above, other than maybe influencing some politicians.

bearman wrote:
Maybe it's not what you listen to, but this isn't the time to pull elitist attitudes about musical taste or make cracks that imply ICP's fans are uneducated. Maybe in the desire to congregate and party they'll learn something.

amen.  WaPo touched on this in the "Show no contempt" section of In Venezuela, we couldn?t stop Chávez. Don?t make the same mistakes we did.

Indivisible seems like a good resource for doing more than just marching.  Do you know of any other ways to stay informed / involved?

It's been rebranded as a March for Science (and truth, justice, yada)

I think the more marches the better…. the worst thing we can do is accept this crap..we need to say no its not ok.. he can ignore it but we still need to stand up and be counted.

I wasn't referring to icp fans as uneducated because I described what goes on at their festivals, being smoking weed, drinking beer, fucking, nudity, listening to music, repeat.  that goes on at every festival, not so much to a degree than at a gathering.  if the fbi labeled the dead fans a cult, and the band marched on Washington with as many deadheads as possible, then you better fucking believe people would be tripping balls in every museum, smoking pot in any place possible, drum circles everywhere, the worst lot food imaginable on every inch of the mall.  Does that also qualify in me calling them uneducated?

sorry bearman, I know this a fun message board, but I had to make sure you knew that I was trying to prove a point about how no one will care about an ICP march on DC . . . and I only make fun of myself in this world, plus other gay people, because we are allowed to.  

I've listened to ICP and other bands like them that play there.  ok at best, not my style at most.  

Throwing money at situations isn't going to solve anything. That's why we need campaign finance reform. That's why social unrest is becoming a big deal again. There's strength in numbers.

bearman wrote: That's why we need campaign finance reform.

Sounds great in theory, but the big cases that have deregulated campaign finance (Citizens United and FEC v Mccutcheon) benefited Hillary and the democrats way more than Trump and the Republicans.

ggw wrote:

bearman wrote: That's why we need campaign finance reform.

Sounds great in theory, but the big cases that have deregulated campaign finance (Citizens United and FEC v Mccutcheon) benefited Hillary and the democrats way more than Trump and the Republicans.

How's it working out for HRC? Oh wait, she lost. So what's your point?

The reality is that Trump won and spent way less money than HRC did. So we won't see campaign finance reform any time soon. But that doesn't mean that the fundraising and spending is out of control for both sides.

the reason we won't see reform is the court will almost for sure become very conservative for the next few decades.. for the rest of our lifetime..


man i'm depressed.

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