100 Most Influential Americans

101 Seth Hurwitz
His 9:30 Club made DC cool, was the preminent place to see live music during the rise of "college" and alternative rock, transformed into the class music club, defined a nation, and enriched the world about half as much as James K. Polk.
Originally posted by Random Citizen PDX:
[QB] Unless you're talking about another George Orwell, he's not an American. Perhaps you mean Orson Welles? :p
Indeed you're right. My mistake.
Just adding some that should have been on the list–Some of my suggestions certainly were equally if not more influential than some on the actual list–it just shows who society and history choose to value and celebrate

Originally posted by Surly Bonds:
Originally posted by pela123:
What about the arts? Jackson Pollock, Andy Warhol.
How about Sojourner Truth, John Brown, Bela Abzug…
You have got to be kidding? Some of these would be lucky to get in the Top Ten Thousand.
Originally posted by thingsfallapart:
Originally posted by Random Citizen PDX:
[QB] Unless you're talking about another George Orwell, he's not an American. Perhaps you mean Orson Welles? :p
Indeed you're right. My mistake.
What's really Orwellian is how the history of Oceania has been rewritten by Thought Police from Minitruth. Great founders of the land(Washington) have been erased and replaced with communists(MLKJ).

But then again, I suppose it's a good idea after all, as long as it get's us closer to eradicating the enemy of the peeps, the dreaded Emmanuel Goldstein. We all hate him!
How about:

Carrot Top
Robert Pollard
the Hamburglar
Tyrell Owens
Weird Al Yankovic
Jerry Brown
Tawana Brawley
Bert and Ernie
Gabe Kaplan
Dee Snider
Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:
Actually, the credit for ending the Cold War goes to the Soviets. By adhering to the principles of Marx and Lenin, they ensured that their system would eventually collapse.

I can't believe how many otherwise intelligent people pander to the mythmaking efforts the Conservos have built about Reagan…
But would the Soviets actually have collapsed and when would it happen? China is still following the Communist line and they're probably the biggest comer of this century.

I am the last person to defend Reagan, and I also don't understand his deification among conservatives. But there is a legitimate school of thought that says by investing so heavily in defense, especially the Star Wars system, Reagan triggered the Soviets' collapse because they went broke trying to keep up.

That said, there's a Doonsbury strip that has James Baker explaining that exact theory to Reagan, who then asks "Am I really that smart?" (To which, Baker says, "Well sir, we're still trying to find out.") So whether it was intentional or just a by-product of a heavy defense mindset, it did play a big role in the SU falling apart.

I don't think Nixon played a huge role in bring down the Soviet Union. He certainly considered Breshnev an adversary, but no more than Kennedy or Johnson did (and both of these guys had serious run-ins with the USSR, with the Bay of Pigs, Cuban missiles and Vietnam). Nixon had a rep for being anti-communist, but that was based more on his career in Congress and when he was VP.
The USA is the new Soviet Union.
If country of birth were the issue, then all the founding fathers shouldn't be on the list. I guess if you get them naturalized, they are yours.

I think the Morman ones are deserved as they have a huge influence on America. Just not much around here.

I think there should be someone like Chuck Berry on there too, some black artist who crossed the music lines early on.
Originally posted by pela123:
How about John Brown…
did you even read the list???

78 John Brown
Whether a hero, a fanatic, or both, he provided the spark for the Civil War.
Whoops–skimmed through too fast
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by pela123:
How about John Brown…
did you even read the list???

78 John Brown
Whether a hero, a fanatic, or both, he provided the spark for the Civil War.
didn't see Walter Cronkite mentioned anywhere. His reporting on the Vietnam war and the upheaval of our nation at the time changed the scope of journalistic reporting.
And what about Edward R. Murrow, whose stance during the red scare set the standard for independent reporting, among other things.
Originally posted by Surly Bonds:
The USA is the new Soviet Union.
Ya got that right, commrad!
Originally posted by Jaguar:
Originally posted by Surly Bonds:
The USA is the new Soviet Union.
Ya got that right, commrad!
It's called 'convergence'. Russia got more capitalist (robber barons, & Johnson County War circa 1892), and we got more communist (hidden cameras everywhere -all phones bugged, spies hiding behind your sofa).

Pretty soon we will meet in the middle.