Originally posted by Rhett Miller:or at the very least turn her a hairy butt cheek
The high minded thing to do would have been to turn the other cheek.
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I'm sure that the other moderaters will agree, that refereeing name calling spats is not our number one priority.
But, I would like to point out that the amount of trolling, by a handful of posters, on this board has risen to a rather unbearable level. It has IMHO resulted in the board becoming less lively. Obviously, there are some that can ignore it better than others. But it's clear that some have just chosen to stay away. Which is a shame because in the past this has been a nice sandbox to play in.
But, I would like to point out that the amount of trolling, by a handful of posters, on this board has risen to a rather unbearable level. It has IMHO resulted in the board becoming less lively. Obviously, there are some that can ignore it better than others. But it's clear that some have just chosen to stay away. Which is a shame because in the past this has been a nice sandbox to play in.
Not sure how "trolling" is exemplified in this thread, but I wasn't even sure I knew what "trolling" was, exactly, in the net discussion board context, so I looked it up…I think I need a more modern dictionary, but my favorite example was:
"Then doth she troll to the bowl."
There are a lot of funny examples on dicitonary.com
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=trolling
"Then doth she troll to the bowl."
There are a lot of funny examples on dicitonary.com
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=trolling
Yes, it is true. I am the proud owner of two hairy buttcheeks. Hairy and proud, damnit!
:D
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Originally posted by Ball Girl:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:or at the very least turn her a hairy butt cheek
The high minded thing to do would have been to turn the other cheek.
Why is it that Rhett is always in the middle of these little conflicts around here?
Does he bahave badly, or is it everyone else behaving badly?
Does he bahave badly, or is it everyone else behaving badly?
Originally posted by Bagalicious Tangster:If I can return to topic for a moment, I don't think those numbers are right at all bags. Jam fans aren't terribly numerous save on the east coast. The reason they seem so obnoxiously large in numbers is that when a show comes around, they all go to it. Barring Phish, I'm sure your average GBV CD sells better than any Jam Cd. Course, Jam bands are all about the live show, not the CD. But still, many many more closet indie fans who don't go to shows than jam fans.
It's the jam/indie equation, which is an equation at a ratio of about 1000 to 1.
I can proudly say I have lived my 43 (very nearly 44) years of life without having heard ONE Phish song/tune/jam whatever it is they call it. Even though there's a Phish cd right in my kitchen!
What planet are you on?
I'll bet none of GBV's albums have sold more than 100,000 copies. I'll also bet a new Phish album sells at least five times that much. So in a sense, you are right about the ratio being off. But Bags was an English major (I think?) so her clumsy math skills should be forgiven.
Apparently closet indie fans don't buy albums, either, as Phish kicked Sonic Youth's ass…
Jam band journeymen Phish and DJ Quik also scored top 20 debuts, as Phish's "Farmhouse" sold more than 88,000 copies to debut at number 12, while DJ Quik's "Balance & Options" moved more than 68,000 copies to land at 18.
The week's other notable debuts include The Temptations' "Earresistable" at 54, MXPX's "Ever Passing Moment" at 56, Nine Days' "The Madding Crowd" at 87, Carly Simon's "Bedroom Tapes" at 90, the A*Teens' "The ABBA Generation" at 100, Five's "Invincible" at 108, BBMak's "Sooner Or Later" at 118, Dido's "No Angel" at 144, Fenix TX's self-titled album at 150, Veruca Salt's "Resolver" at 171, and Sonic Youth's "NYC Ghosts & Flowers" at 172.
I'll bet none of GBV's albums have sold more than 100,000 copies. I'll also bet a new Phish album sells at least five times that much. So in a sense, you are right about the ratio being off. But Bags was an English major (I think?) so her clumsy math skills should be forgiven.
Apparently closet indie fans don't buy albums, either, as Phish kicked Sonic Youth's ass…
Jam band journeymen Phish and DJ Quik also scored top 20 debuts, as Phish's "Farmhouse" sold more than 88,000 copies to debut at number 12, while DJ Quik's "Balance & Options" moved more than 68,000 copies to land at 18.
The week's other notable debuts include The Temptations' "Earresistable" at 54, MXPX's "Ever Passing Moment" at 56, Nine Days' "The Madding Crowd" at 87, Carly Simon's "Bedroom Tapes" at 90, the A*Teens' "The ABBA Generation" at 100, Five's "Invincible" at 108, BBMak's "Sooner Or Later" at 118, Dido's "No Angel" at 144, Fenix TX's self-titled album at 150, Veruca Salt's "Resolver" at 171, and Sonic Youth's "NYC Ghosts & Flowers" at 172.
Originally posted by redsock:
Originally posted by Bagalicious Tangster:If I can return to topic for a moment, I don't think those numbers are right at all bags. Jam fans aren't terribly numerous save on the east coast. The reason they seem so obnoxiously large in numbers is that when a show comes around, they all go to it. Barring Phish, I'm sure your average GBV CD sells better than any Jam Cd. Course, Jam bands are all about the live show, not the CD. But still, many many more closet indie fans who don't go to shows than jam fans.
It's the jam/indie equation, which is an equation at a ratio of about 1000 to 1.
I actually know a few people who are as proud as can be that they've never heard a Phish song, yet they are absolutely sure that Phish sucks. I don't really understand that. I can perfectly understand why people would hate the music. But I don't understand the pride that comes along with never even listening to it before forming an opinion.
Originally posted by Bollocks:other than the endless jams, which are better appreciated high and while outdoors, their songs can be clever and tuneful…I quite liked them in my 20s
I can proudly say I have lived my 43 (very nearly 44) years of life without having heard ONE Phish song/tune/jam whatever it is they call it. Even though there's a Phish cd right in my kitchen!
Originally posted by redsock:That's an odd claim.
Jam fans aren't terribly numerous save on the east coast.
I've never heard anything by these jam bands either. I did go to a few dead parking lots in the early 90's though. Wierd scene. A girl I knew helped pay for college by selling jewelry she'd made at dead shows. I helped her sell necklaces and stuff and I got to keep some of what I made for her. Everytime I'd make a dollar or two I'd buy a beer or a balloon or whatever. It was fun! Her stuff was really nice and would sell pretty well. Not a bad way to spend two or three days out of my life.
Never did get inside for the music though. The dead's music was not my thing. In fact, other than the whole traveling circus aspect I never could figure out the appeal at all. Overall though the scene seemed ok except for the whole drunk jock set of folks that always seemed to gravitate towards these things.
Never did get inside for the music though. The dead's music was not my thing. In fact, other than the whole traveling circus aspect I never could figure out the appeal at all. Overall though the scene seemed ok except for the whole drunk jock set of folks that always seemed to gravitate towards these things.
I'll bet the Dead's music is as different from Phish's as Guided by Voices' is from Modest Mouse's.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:The Dead's music seems much more varied to me…they have some that sounds really country-ish and some that's quite jazzy…I think the Dead's basic tunes before they go into the jams are a little more traditionally structured than Phish's songs
I'll bet the Dead's music is as different from Phish's as Guided by Voices' is from Modest Mouse's.
Originally posted by Skeeter:I never claimed to have formed an opinion regarding their music did I?
I actually know a few people who are as proud as can be that they've never heard a Phish song, yet they are absolutely sure that Phish sucks. I don't really understand that. I can perfectly understand why people would hate the music. But I don't understand the pride that comes along with never even listening to it before forming an opinion.
Just looking at Phish Phans (good huh?) is enough to turn me off though.
Originally posted by Bollocks:Nope - point taken.
I never claimed to have formed an opinion regarding their music did I?
Originally posted by Bollocks:
I can proudly say I have lived my 43 (very nearly 44) years of life without having heard ONE Phish song/tune/jam whatever it is they call it. Even though there's a Phish cd right in my kitchen!
Originally posted by Skeeter:I'm 43/44. I once heard a fish song on "progressive free-form" WRNR. Fish suck. Suckerfish suck.
I actually know a few people who are as proud as can be that they've never heard a Phish song, yet they are absolutely sure that Phish sucks. I don't really understand that. I can perfectly understand why people would hate the music. But I don't understand the pride that comes along with never even listening to it before forming an opinion.
FISH HEADS: Now I'd buy that for a dollar!
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:Who took a dump in the sandbox? I swear it wasn't me this time…
I'm sure that the other moderaters will agree, that refereeing name calling spats is not our number one priority.
But, I would like to point out that the amount of trolling, by a handful of posters, on this board has risen to a rather unbearable level. It has IMHO resulted in the board becoming less lively. Obviously, there are some that can ignore it better than others. But it's clear that some have just chosen to stay away. Which is a shame because in the past this has been a nice sandbox to play in.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:The Dead aside, most Jam bands stick to heavy touring on the east cost for a reason. Look at Phish. They play a couple of midwest and west shows a year, but always play NJ, phili, and Boston. Go to jambase.com and check out all the decent jam festivals. mostly on the east coast.
Originally posted by redsock:That's an odd claim.
Jam fans aren't terribly numerous save on the east coast.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:Again, I said except for phish. And I'm sure some of the recent GBV CDs have sold more than 100,000 copies.
What planet are you on?
I'll bet none of GBV's albums have sold more than 100,000 copies. I'll also bet a new Phish album sells at least five times that much. So in a sense, you are right about the ratio being off.
Originally posted by redsock:Wouldn't that reason be population density?
most Jam bands stick to heavy touring on the east cost for a reason.
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Plenty of California shows and festivals on jambase.com