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Relaxer
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Re: stellastarr* March 31, 2004 at 03:18 PM UTC #
Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by Relaxer:


I predict Stellastarr is going to reach Smashing Pumpking/Nine Inch Nails level of success in a couple years/records.
I predict that you are going to be taken away in a green van by the men in white coats. Dont worry, the walls will all be soft.

Stellastarr* are thoroughly disposable pop, cynically cashing in on some sort of 80s revival. I think what they are doing is good. I enjoyed the show, but superstars, I really do not see it.

I think you are too dismissive of ambulance, thier recorded material is much better than their live show.

I wasnt impressed that much by the other band.

I think you might have been drunk?
I was drunk at Sleepy Jackson, and that still pretty much blew. At Stellastarr, I was broke so was going light on the whiskey.

You could be right, they could pass through like Ultrasound, ARE Weapons or others that didn't fulfill the hype, but something about them strikes me. I'm assuming that they are going to build on their sound and get better too. I don't understand the 80's retro charge, though there is something that sounds familiar about them.

I won't write off Ambulance, but I was ready to like them a lot after the Killers and couldn't find anything to grab onto.

And I just threw in the additional Sleater-Kinney slam because… I am a prick. Though I must admit, they are one of the few bands that I actively dislike (I don't like bands that lecture and chide the audience, and they do).
Rhett Miller
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Re: stellastarr* March 31, 2004 at 03:23 PM UTC #
In the year 2014, neither Sleater-kinney nor stella* will be making music. The fickle indie hpye followers will have passed them by.

S/K will become three attractive, middle-aged soccer moms living in northwestern suburbs.

Stella* will be living off of their trust funds, making art that nobody buys, living in condos that they bought in 2006 in what was an up-and coming NYC neighborhood which by 2014 had turned passe', then yuppie.
markie
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Re: stellastarr* March 31, 2004 at 03:26 PM UTC #
Sorry to rip into you.

I am just bitter that there were 3 times as many people at stellastarr* than the delgados. But the Delgados were 30 times better.

When a band starts of so derivative of an era, if not a particular group I have a hard time to imagine them becoming huge. I guess bands like radiohead moved on. Most reverred bands I can think of started out sounding different.

I dont particularly care for Sleater Kinney either.
bags
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Re: stellastarr* March 31, 2004 at 03:33 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Relaxer:
(I don't like bands that lecture and chide the audience, and they do).
During their shows? I've seen them three times, never been lectured to…. If you're talking about lyrics, #1, I don't see it, and #2, I'll bet a HELL of a lot of bands you listen to have a point of view in their lyrics. Otherwise you have a pretty small CD library…
bags
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Re: stellastarr* March 31, 2004 at 03:35 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Friend of Guy Balls:
In the year 2014, neither Sleater-kinney nor stella* will be making music. The fickle indie hpye followers will have passed them by.
We never said they'd still be playing – but who's reputation will have lasted? And remember, S-K have already been around for 13 years, just getting stronger…. ;) I wouldn't really call that hype.
brennser
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Re: stellastarr* March 31, 2004 at 03:36 PM UTC #
(I don't like bands that lecture and chide the audience, and they do).
I have a suggestion, aside from stick it up yer ass, which I still strongly urge you to do.

Listen to Billy Bragg - you'd love him :p
Relaxer
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Re: stellastarr* March 31, 2004 at 09:04 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by Relaxer:
(I don't like bands that lecture and chide the audience, and they do).
During their shows? I've seen them three times, never been lectured to…. If you're talking about lyrics, #1, I don't see it, and #2, I'll bet a HELL of a lot of bands you listen to have a point of view in their lyrics. Otherwise you have a pretty small CD library…
I have two S-K bootlegs and at the start of both of them, they tell the audience to not smoke, and in the middle of one of them, they tell the audience to stop slamdancing. Now, I don't smoke nor slam, and am sometimes annoyed by those that do, but it's a rock'n'roll show. If I want to be lectured, I'd go back to school.

I will acknowledge the fact that S-K has had a longer-than-usual musical career, and I commend that and am envious of it, but then again, so has Lenny Kravitz and Jewel.

And MarkE, I appreciate your opinion and I'm not going to slag anyone's PoV that they're derivative, I just don't see it and am curious what exactly they are derivative of. I'm listening to the album now and it reminds me of 'Gish' – which at the time was accused of being derivative of Jane's Addiction.

Oh, for the person who is so obsessed with sticking things up my ass, any chance you're capable of keeping the subject matter focused on the music without obsessing about anal cavities? No? Didn't think so.
jkeisenh
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Re: stellastarr* March 31, 2004 at 09:10 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Relaxer:
Originally posted by Bags:
I have two S-K bootlegs and at the start of both of them, they tell the audience to not smoke, and in the middle of one of them, they tell the audience to stop slamdancing. Now, I don't smoke nor slam, and am sometimes annoyed by those that do, but it's a rock'n'roll show. If I want to be lectured, I'd go back to school.
SK is one of those bands preoccupied with being accessible. They struggle to keep show prices down, to make sure they book all-ages shows, and to make sure everyone's welcome. It's a feminist thing as much as it's a nice-people thing. Their smoking and dancing rants are about the same thing– that you're there to enjoy the music with *other* people, who should be able to enjoy it too, right?

I agree that lectures are no fun, but I think both things they were talking about were well warranted…
markie
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Re: stellastarr* March 31, 2004 at 09:20 PM UTC #
Lets start easy,

Ok, Pulp song (last track) actually does sound like a song by Pulp, the britpop pioneers.


With most of the songs you could think of another band who has been a direct influence. They score points over, say interpol, though as they dont appear to rip off any melodies directly.

Do they really not sound very 80s to you?
Rhett Miller
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Re: stellastarr* March 31, 2004 at 09:22 PM UTC #
How does this make them more feminist? Just how do you define "feminist"?

SK is one of those bands preoccupied with being accessible. They struggle to keep show prices down, to make sure they book all-ages shows, and to make sure everyone's welcome. It's a feminist thing as much as it's a nice-people thing.
jkeisenh
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Re: stellastarr* March 31, 2004 at 09:26 PM UTC #
Originally posted by ballard:
How does this make them more feminist? Just how do you define "feminist"?

SK is one of those bands preoccupied with being accessible. They struggle to keep show prices down, to make sure they book all-ages shows, and to make sure everyone's welcome. It's a feminist thing as much as it's a nice-people thing.
In this case, believing in involving *all*, regardless of age or financial means, as much as possible. (It's like anti-exclusionist.)
ggw
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Re: stellastarr* March 31, 2004 at 09:30 PM UTC #
Fugazi was doing it long before S-K. It's a DIY thing more than a feminist thing.

Originally posted by chimblysweep:
Originally posted by ballard:
How does this make them more feminist? Just how do you define "feminist"?

SK is one of those bands preoccupied with being accessible. They struggle to keep show prices down, to make sure they book all-ages shows, and to make sure everyone's welcome. It's a feminist thing as much as it's a nice-people thing.
In this case, believing in involving *all*, regardless of age or financial means, as much as possible. (It's like anti-exclusionist.)
brennser
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Re: stellastarr* March 31, 2004 at 09:31 PM UTC #
any chance you're capable of keeping the subject matter focused on the music
quite capable, after all I recommended you listen to Billy Bragg, its just hard when people like you talk nonsensical shite
jkeisenh
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Re: stellastarr* March 31, 2004 at 10:09 PM UTC #
Are you implying that men can be feminists or do something that's feminist??

Feminist is a way of thinking… you don't have to say to yourself "gosh that's feminist" for something to be so.

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Fugazi was doing it long before S-K. It's a DIY thing more than a feminist thing.

Originally posted by chimblysweep:
Originally posted by ballard:
How does this make them more feminist? Just how do you define "feminist"?

SK is one of those bands preoccupied with being accessible. They struggle to keep show prices down, to make sure they book all-ages shows, and to make sure everyone's welcome. It's a feminist thing as much as it's a nice-people thing.
In this case, believing in involving *all*, regardless of age or financial means, as much as possible. (It's like anti-exclusionist.)
bags
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Re: stellastarr* March 31, 2004 at 10:11 PM UTC #
I've never been lectured to or told not to smoke/slam/whatever by S-K. Besides, if it's all about the music, which you just chided brennser for, it's got nothing to do with how hard and well they ROCK.

Still, you can hate 'em for any reason. And I can think you're crazy. :p
ggw
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Re: stellastarr* March 31, 2004 at 10:13 PM UTC #
Originally posted by chimblysweep:
Are you implying that men can be feminists or do something that's feminist??

Feminist is a way of thinking… you don't have to say to yourself "gosh that's feminist" for something to be so.
I don't see how admitting all regardless of age or financial means is a feminist thing.
Rhett Miller
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Re: stellastarr* March 31, 2004 at 10:17 PM UTC #
The Baptist church I attended when i was a child admitted people of all ages and financial means. Were they being feminist?
bags
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Re: stellastarr* April 09, 2004 at 05:22 PM UTC #
I think this is so funny….this is from this half hour's WOXY playlist (which auto-refreshes and lists the last five songs played):

"01:16:44 STELLASTARR* CANCELLED THEIR IN-STUDIO. HONESTLY, I JUST DON'T THINK THEY WANTED TO DO IT. MIKE"
Jaguär
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Re: stellastarr* April 09, 2004 at 06:03 PM UTC #
Probably road weary.
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