Originally posted by Bags:Well put.
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:I agree with the premise that it's not really more unsafe to go to the club now. But come on, these are parents sending their 15 or 16 year old kids out into the night int the city. I can understand. I can even empathize; not too long ago I kicked out of a condo because a 9 year old was shot on the street while playing across the street. It did raise issues – that neighborhood is "emerging" and does carry different risks. Do I want to assume those risks where I live every day? No. Does a parent want to assume a certain level of risk so his/her kid can see one of the hundreds of bands he/she can see in a lifetime? Probably not. I can see myself thinking, "sweetie, there are a million shows to see, you can miss this one." As a mid-30something, that's true. As a 16 year old, it can feel like the END OF THE WORLD.
… if he/she really looked at the situation, they would have realized that his kid was in no more danger last night than we was before the shooting.
While I don't agree with the parents' conclusion, their thought process is pretty understandable.
SHOOTING
i just would like to provide a different type of response here with some firsthand info.
as some of you already know, or don't know, i am 15 years old (actually, not even! 14 until my birthday tomorrow. i just tend to LOOK a lot older than i really am). but it's still pretty damn young. i live in BETHESDA, the most overprotective and sheltered community around here. and i make music my pastime + love going to shows, so this of course places me and my parents in quite the pickle.
i went to my first show at merriweather when i was in fifth grade, and came to 9:30 first when i was in 7th grade (about twelve years old). i also go to shows a lot, at least twice a month but sometimes much more. the bands that i usually want to see are pretty much always playing at 9:30 or the black cat.
since i started going to these shows, i always have had to have a "responsible adult" (i.e. a parent willing to take us, or my brother–whose ticket i have always had to pay for myself) take us to the show, and stay in the club. i made my dad take me to see joan jett when i was 11 years old and he had a miserable time–he loves music too, but classical. i have had to find other people to take me to shows, and it's really really rough. especially since now, the people that have been taking us to the shows (friends parents, my brother) won't take us anymore, as they realize that their presence is unnecessary.
the locations of the clubs of course is the main concern here. my dad grew up in DC, and the areas where the clubs are now were where all the riots and violence took place when he was growing up, and he sees the neighborhood that way, and always will.
it's taken me years to work this out with my parents. first they were concerned about other people in the club, then they were concerned about me being out too late (they stopped letting me go to shows on school nights about two years ago), and it's finally just come down to the area. there is actually a huge debate going on in my household right now, because my dad doesn't think i should be able to start going to shows with at least two other friends and NO responsible adult present(we would get rides to & from the club), and my mom thinks it is okay. i recently went to a show with a group of kids and no adult, which my mother had said was okay and my dad got very pissed about. it is especially frustrating, because HE is the one who i inhereit the muscal interest from. so, tips i can give?
- tell your parents that realistically, there is not much risk. once you are inside the club (assuming that you stay in the club and don't wanter the streets), you are perfectly fine. any creep on the street is not going to have the ability to pay to get into these shows every night, and harass kids.
- try to reason with them, or make an agreement. don't yell and whine a lot. and make sure you understand where they are coming from before you try to reason with them.
- if you really are a good kid? tell them so, like somebody above suggested. i am a sweet kid that is ridiculously opposed to smoking and drugs of any sort, i don't have sex, i'm not going to go out and drink myself pissy at this age, and i do fantastic in school. and realizing this was probably why my mom is now trying to convince my dad that it's okay for us to start going to these things by ourselves.
- and also? if you think there is something going on that will FREAK out your parents about the area, you don't have to always tell them or let them find out!
good luck, though. if you need anything else you can always PM it over here.
as some of you already know, or don't know, i am 15 years old (actually, not even! 14 until my birthday tomorrow. i just tend to LOOK a lot older than i really am). but it's still pretty damn young. i live in BETHESDA, the most overprotective and sheltered community around here. and i make music my pastime + love going to shows, so this of course places me and my parents in quite the pickle.
i went to my first show at merriweather when i was in fifth grade, and came to 9:30 first when i was in 7th grade (about twelve years old). i also go to shows a lot, at least twice a month but sometimes much more. the bands that i usually want to see are pretty much always playing at 9:30 or the black cat.
since i started going to these shows, i always have had to have a "responsible adult" (i.e. a parent willing to take us, or my brother–whose ticket i have always had to pay for myself) take us to the show, and stay in the club. i made my dad take me to see joan jett when i was 11 years old and he had a miserable time–he loves music too, but classical. i have had to find other people to take me to shows, and it's really really rough. especially since now, the people that have been taking us to the shows (friends parents, my brother) won't take us anymore, as they realize that their presence is unnecessary.
the locations of the clubs of course is the main concern here. my dad grew up in DC, and the areas where the clubs are now were where all the riots and violence took place when he was growing up, and he sees the neighborhood that way, and always will.
it's taken me years to work this out with my parents. first they were concerned about other people in the club, then they were concerned about me being out too late (they stopped letting me go to shows on school nights about two years ago), and it's finally just come down to the area. there is actually a huge debate going on in my household right now, because my dad doesn't think i should be able to start going to shows with at least two other friends and NO responsible adult present(we would get rides to & from the club), and my mom thinks it is okay. i recently went to a show with a group of kids and no adult, which my mother had said was okay and my dad got very pissed about. it is especially frustrating, because HE is the one who i inhereit the muscal interest from. so, tips i can give?
- tell your parents that realistically, there is not much risk. once you are inside the club (assuming that you stay in the club and don't wanter the streets), you are perfectly fine. any creep on the street is not going to have the ability to pay to get into these shows every night, and harass kids.
- try to reason with them, or make an agreement. don't yell and whine a lot. and make sure you understand where they are coming from before you try to reason with them.
- if you really are a good kid? tell them so, like somebody above suggested. i am a sweet kid that is ridiculously opposed to smoking and drugs of any sort, i don't have sex, i'm not going to go out and drink myself pissy at this age, and i do fantastic in school. and realizing this was probably why my mom is now trying to convince my dad that it's okay for us to start going to these things by ourselves.
- and also? if you think there is something going on that will FREAK out your parents about the area, you don't have to always tell them or let them find out!
good luck, though. if you need anything else you can always PM it over here.
now that the house of representatives is repealing our gun laws, we can be safe from shootings anyway, right? right?
Originally posted by general grievous:damn straight!! as a former gun control activist who gave the cause up because i was so damn frustrated/cynical, this whole thing just really deflates me.
now that the house of representatives is repealing our gun laws, we can be safe from shootings anyway, right? right?
Originally posted by Bags:i understand where you're coming from … and that kid who got shot while playing outside, man that was just disgusting, really a tragedy … but the bottom line is that there was no more danger after the recent shaw shooting than before, the shooting wasn't a random act of violence
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:I agree with the premise that it's not really more unsafe to go to the club now. But come on, these are parents sending their 15 or 16 year old kids out into the night int the city. I can understand. I can even empathize; not too long ago I kicked out of a condo because a 9 year old was shot on the street while playing across the street. It did raise issues – that neighborhood is "emerging" and does carry different risks. Do I want to assume those risks where I live every day? No. Does a parent want to assume a certain level of risk so his/her kid can see one of the hundreds of bands he/she can see in a lifetime? Probably not. I can see myself thinking, "sweetie, there are a million shows to see, you can miss this one." As a mid-30something, that's true. As a 16 year old, it can feel like the END OF THE WORLD.
… if he/she really looked at the situation, they would have realized that his kid was in no more danger last night than we was before the shooting.
While I don't agree with the parents' conclusion, their thought process is pretty understandable.
from all my past gun control research, one of the biggest things that stood out is the overwhelming percentage of murders that are committed by people who either know each other or have a previous conflict … the whole random shoot-you-on-the-street-because-you-didn't-give-me-your-wallet deal really rarely happens
Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:I know many shootings are between acquantances, but innocent and unrelated bystanders get caught up in that, especially when it's happening at a club rather than a household. Also, at least for the Columbia Heights issue I mentioned, there is real anger bubbling up over residents being pushed out of homes and neighborhoods they and their families have lived in for years. There is anger and it is coming out in violent ways. I might be averse to sending my 14 year old out into that environment.
from all my past gun control research, one of the biggest things that stood out is the overwhelming percentage of murders that are committed by people who either know each other or have a previous conflict … the whole random shoot-you-on-the-street-because-you-didn't-give-me-your-wallet deal really rarely happens
Originally posted by Bags:hey, to each to his own … but do you really think that recent violence in shaw/columbia heights (i don't have the stats, but i'd be willing to wager it's considerably less than it was 5-10 yrs ago) is anti-gentrification fueled? it's not like we're seeing yuppies shot on the street for invading their neighborhood, it seems like most of the violence is the same old "you looked at my girl the wrong way" or "you sold me two rocks when i was supposed to get three"
I know many shootings are between acquantances, but innocent and unrelated bystanders get caught up in that, especially when it's happening at a club rather than a household. Also, at least for the Columbia Heights issue I mentioned, there is real anger bubbling up over residents being pushed out of homes and neighborhoods they and their families have lived in for years. There is anger and it is coming out in violent ways. I might be averse to sending my 14 year old out into that environment.
Mass shooting at a Krokus Piknik concert at Crocus City Hall in Moscow
grateful wrote:yikes this sound horrible - anthem sized venue
Mass shooting at aKrokusPiknik concert at Crocus City Hall in Moscow
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mass-shooting-music-venue-crocus-city-hall-moscow-picnic-concert/
methylene wrote:If it’s a non IMP quality soundsystem, isn’t bloody death desirable?grateful wrote:yikes this sound horrible - anthem sized venue
Mass shooting at aKrokusPiknik concert at Crocus City Hall in Moscow
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mass-shooting-music-venue-crocus-city-hall-moscow-picnic-concert/
Julian, wrote:methylene wrote:If it’s a non IMP quality soundsystem, isn’t bloody death desirable?grateful wrote:yikes this sound horrible - anthem sized venue
Mass shooting at aKrokusPiknik concert at Crocus City Hall in Moscow
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mass-shooting-music-venue-crocus-city-hall-moscow-picnic-concert/
I have heard that the sound at the Sphere will ruin you for even the best in-line PA at the most premium venues.
Islamic State apparently
The enemy of my enemy is my friend?
The enemy of my enemy is my friend?
That's psychotic!
Hutch wrote:
Islamic State apparently
The enemy of my enemy is my friend?
Hey, it’s a question….
I note Russia was our friend in WWII because they were Germany’s enemy. The minute Germany was defeated they became our sworn enemy for the next half century!
I note Russia was our friend in WWII because they were Germany’s enemy. The minute Germany was defeated they became our sworn enemy for the next half century!
Wow. 133 dead so far.
Apparently the ISIS Afghanistan arm.
Ukraine blames Russia and Russia blames Ukraine.
Apparently the ISIS Afghanistan arm.
Ukraine blames Russia and Russia blames Ukraine.
i thought trump defeated isis
notme wrote:
i thought trump defeated isis
No that was Russia.
Hutch wrote:
Ukraine blames Russia and Russia blames Ukraine.
some context:
ruzzia tried its hardest to blame Ukraine. after initially stating "Kyiv did it!!!111", that narrative fell apart: ISIS-K claimed responsibility, uploaded go-pro vids, and made it impossible to deny that they did it. so then the kremlin changed their story: Ukraine didn't do it but "gave support". ruzzia claimed that the suspects were trying to escape to Ukraine and that a "window" has been opened on the UA-RU border to let them through, so clearly UA is guilty! except that 1) the suspect were caught on the road to Belarus, not Ukraine, and 2) the UA-RU border is impossible to cross: you'll hit several checkpoint on the russian side before you get to the border, zero chance a civilan car can just drive through. the border is also heavily mined, no vehicles can pass.
Ukraine "blamed" ruzzia in as much as they've said they weren't responsible/involved, and put forth the idea that it was a false flag operation by the russian security service (FSB). there are a lot of details that make a false flag operation a possible if not likely explanation, chief among them: numerous 911 calls were made but it took almost an hour and a half for authorities to show up - despite having a large base of the national guard (including rapid response forces) located just 5 minutes away. the only logical explanation is that they were told not to respond immediately, because the kremlin wanted a massacre - it would help with the upcoming mobilization and justify additional violence (moscow has a history of doing this - 1999 apartment bombings, 2002 theater hostage crisis, etc.)
after being caught, the suspects were tortured by ruzzian police. one suspect had his ear cut off and stuffed in his mouth. another has electrodes attached to his testicles and shocks applied during interrogation. how do we know this? the ruzzians released videos of them doing this… savages. the electrocuted-balls suspect was later carted into the courtroom unconscious - yet he somehow plead guilty. all 4 suspects showed signs of beating and torture.
Propaganda
Hutch wrote:
Propaganda
yeah? what part? i'm happy to provide links to any definitive statements i've made.