Rhett Miller
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Re: Fun Facts
February 04, 2004 at 09:16 PM UTC
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So if not increased funding, what is the GGW solution to improving our public schools?
What lessons can public schools learn from catholic school to improve their performance?
Decrease the salary of teachers by 30%?
Convince them that they are going to burn in hell if their behavior is inappropriate?
Only allow students to enroll whose parents give a shit enough about their kids education that they would actually PAY for it?
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
not that i know about this, but when children go to Catholic school, they pay for it right? and when they go to public schools its free?
souds like Catholic schools dont NEED as much government funding because they have tuition.
Not always. Some are free, some are subsidized by private groups, some are subsidized by public groups. Also, instead of "funding" let's say "per-student spending" which includes tuition (if any), private donations, etc… Catholic schools still spend much less than public schools.
Rhett Miller
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Re: Fun Facts
February 04, 2004 at 09:24 PM UTC
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Your attitude toward teachers isn't atypical.
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
[QB] True, but they put in 60 hours a week during those nine months.
Still cry that Potomac my friend…no sympathy for teachers from me. (Sorry Jag) I think they're a bunch of spoiled, leftist, bone-idle union brats who think the kids are in school for the benefit of them, and not the other way round which is reality.
godsshoeshine
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Re: Fun Facts
February 04, 2004 at 09:27 PM UTC
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Originally posted by sonickteam2:
not that i know about this, but when children go to Catholic school, they pay for it right? and when they go to public schools its free?
souds like Catholic schools dont NEED as much government funding because they have tuition.
and besides, churhes and shit always have loads of cash, right?
i went to catholic high school, and it was pretty cheap. our text books were from the 60's (during the early 90's), and it was run by nuns. the ones that still wear the habits. catholic schools didn't get any funding back then, and i am pretty sure they don't now. also, the kids in the public school i would have attended went to much better colleges than the catholic school kids i graduated with.
Rhett Miller
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Re: Fun Facts
February 04, 2004 at 09:28 PM UTC
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Good point. I went into teaching for basically the same ideology you cite.
However, there is a world of difference in terms of desire to learn between the advanced level classes that I was part of as a student and the desire of non-advanced level students.
Originally posted by mark e smith:
Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
And selling luxary cars to wealthy folk strikes me as a hell of an easier sell than convincing a middle schooler ……….
But isnt teaching much more rewarding other ways, imparting your knowledge and wisdom on the young and impressionable? It is a bit more of a vocation than selling cars, isn't it? Why did you pick that profession in the first place? [/QB]
ggw
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Re: Fun Facts
February 04, 2004 at 09:31 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
So if not increased funding, what is the GGW solution to improving our public schools?
What lessons can public schools learn from catholic school to improve their performance?
Decrease the salary of teachers by 30%?
Convince them that they are going to burn in hell if their behavior is inappropriate?
Only allow students to enroll whose parents give a shit enough about their kids education that they would actually PAY for it?
Too many problems to solve here. Most of it has to do with parents abdicating their responsibilities than with schools not doing enough. Which is why throwing more money at the problem won't work.
The simple reason that Catholic school kids do better is that they are the children of parents who care enough about their kids to put education as the main priority.
godsshoeshine
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Re: Fun Facts
February 04, 2004 at 09:36 PM UTC
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also catholic schools can kick out kids for less of a reason, kids that don't care or don't like 10000 rules leave and go to public schools.
Rhett Miller
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Re: Fun Facts
February 04, 2004 at 09:40 PM UTC
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I agree with your points here.
I only wish that the public school I taught in had had enough money to pay for classroom materials.
But having the proper materials would have only been a start. Without parental and adminstrator support, they wouldn't have been enough.
North Carolina was a nightmare. Pretty much all of the rental housing in the county I worked in was apartment complexes, which had minimum salary requirements, which of course my teacher salary didn't make. Finally, I found one that I barely qualified for. I almost wasn't able to get housing in the very county i taught in because they paid their teachers so poorly.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
So if not increased funding, what is the GGW solution to improving our public schools?
What lessons can public schools learn from catholic school to improve their performance?
Decrease the salary of teachers by 30%?
Convince them that they are going to burn in hell if their behavior is inappropriate?
Only allow students to enroll whose parents give a shit enough about their kids education that they would actually PAY for it?
Too many problems to solve here. Most of it has to do with parents abdicating their responsibilities than with schools not doing enough. Which is why throwing more money at the problem won't work.
The simple reason that Catholic school kids do better is that they are the children of parents who care enough about their kids to put education as the main priority.
Rhett Miller
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Re: Fun Facts
February 04, 2004 at 09:55 PM UTC
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I am working, damnit. I just made a big discovery that is going to make a certain program office very happy. There is not a problem where it appeared there was one. Of course, that's not going to be helpful to me in writing my conference paper…essentially now I have no problems to write about.
brennser
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Re: Fun Facts
February 04, 2004 at 09:59 PM UTC
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But isnt teaching much more rewarding other ways
yeah baby!
Rhett Miller
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Re: Fun Facts
February 04, 2004 at 10:03 PM UTC
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Reminds me of the female student teacher who invited some of us guys on the track team over to her apartment to drink with her afterschool.
I never did partake, and she was soon fired and kicked out of her teacher ed program. Last I heard of her she was making a very good living selling cars at a Mercedes dealership.
Originally posted by brennser:
But isnt teaching much more rewarding other ways
yeah baby!
ggw
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Re: Fun Facts
February 04, 2004 at 10:31 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
The Catholic girls start much too late. Sooner or later it comes down to fate.
Further confirmation that Dupek is "The Stranger."
Rhett Miller
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Re: Fun Facts
February 04, 2004 at 11:07 PM UTC
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what is a slapper?