Sometimes There Is So MUch Beauty in thje World

yeah, enough with the proselytizing. hallucinogens can be incredibly therapeutic and harmless. it all depends on the individual's personality and stability, the dosage, and set and setting.

i've tripped over 200 times on acid, mushrooms, mescaline, and ecstasy, and i've never had a flashback, nor a bad trip. i've had some strange experiences, but nothing scary or frightening, and i choose to immerse myself in some pretty dark music/film/art. it's all about altering perception, bending reality, and breaking down barriers, some of which are negative influences in life.

i'm pretty sure i'm a productive member of society with a job and multiple friends. and i last took acid on saturday while watching judas priest and sabbath.

read aldous huxley's "doors of perception" and "heaven and hell" (fuck it, you should read any and all huxley anyway). he was around 58 when he first started experimenting with acid, and died when he was 68 (on a dose of 250 mg).

careful regulation and moderation is the key with hallucinogens. not everybody should experiment with them, but in the right hands, they can be wonderful.
Originally posted by sweetcell:
alcohol kills more people than drugs, but would you stop someone from enjoying a beer or two?
yes, but i do believe that unless you are an alcoholic, a beer or two will neither kill you nor have the same neural effects as an acid trip.
let's slyly forget that i posted last night after two drinks (me=low tolerance). ha ha, i know, ironic - next time i heed my own advice…but still, do not ever drink lethal amounts on a regular basis, so do not consider myself to be doing anything strenuous to myself.

i do love LOVE how snailhook tells me to stop proselytizing as he launches into a three-paragraph post about how awesome and therapeutic hallucinogens and huxley are.

the idea of doing acid or whatnot is certainly romanticized by those who have had great experiences with it - i am an artist and hippie at heart, but frankly, i would never touch something with such an unpredictable outcome. not to mention the fact that all of these awesome substances can build up in your spinal cord - basically the backbone (pun intended) of your whole existence and functioning - and pop out to play at any given point in time. i like my brain and body too much to do that much harm to it. snailhook, if you have tripped over 200 times, don't try to tell me that you haven't fucked yourself up.
Thanks for sharing, but I'll pass.

Originally posted by snailhook:
yeah, enough with the proselytizing. having safe sex with hiv infected prostitutes can be incredibly therapeutic and harmless. it all depends on the individual's personality and stability, set and setting, and the condom not breaking.

i've fucked over 200 black, asian, and white hos, and i've never had an std, nor a bad condom. i've had some strange experiences, but nothing scary or frightening, and i choose to immerse myself in some pretty dark meat. it's all about altering perception, bending reality, and breaking down barriers, some of which are negative influences in life.

i'm pretty sure i'm a productive member of society with a job and multiple friends. and i last had safe sex with an hiv infected prostitute on saturday while watching judas priest and sabbath.

read aldous huxley's "doors of perception" and "heaven and hell" (fuck it, you should read any and all huxley anyway). he was around 58 when he first started experimenting with hooker sex, and died when he was 68.

careful regulation and moderation is the key with prostitutes. not everybody should experiment with them, but in the right hands, they can be wonderful.
Originally posted by you be betty:
yes, but i do believe that unless you are an alcoholic, a beer or two will neither kill you nor have the same neural effects as an acid trip.
what exactly are these effects? i fear, betty, that you've bought in to the hype. BTW, alcohol is killer on the liver. again - no more alcohol?

Originally posted by you be betty:
i do love LOVE how snailhook tells me to stop proselytizing as he launches into a three-paragraph post about how awesome and therapeutic hallucinogens and huxley are.
but he wasn't telling others what they should and shouldn't do (aka proselytizing). he gave his opinion and experience, but no recommended course of action.

Originally posted by you be betty:
i would never touch something with such an unpredictable outcome. not to mention the fact that all of these awesome substances can build up in your spinal cord
please show me a single credible scientific article that backs up your spinal chord accumulation assertion… you won't find any. it's all hype and lies, made up to scare impressionable folks. reefer madness - hide the women and children!!! seriously tho, i'm not going to tell you that drugs are harmless and everyone should indulge. however, let's stay away from lies and scare-the-schoolchildren boogeymen, m'kay?
I've never taken a hallucinogen and most likely never will because I think they're not for me. But who am I to tell anyone what they can and can't ingest?

The spine myth has been debunked scientifically; in fact, LSD is most likely out of your system before the trip itself is completely over. Maybe you should stop taking everything that everyone older than you (myself and everyone on this board included) has told you about drugs at face value and do some reading of unbiased scientific sources instead?


P.S. If you don't think hallucinogens can serve a purpose, re-read the first 15 or so posts of this thread again and try to not laugh.


GGW's eating them brightened up many of our days for a few seconds and if nothing else, that alone made his eating them worthwhile.
Why do you think they're not for you?

You also seem easily amused. I didn't find this thread funny at all. More like stupid. But maybe stupid is the new funny.


Originally posted by azaghal1981:
I've never taken a hallucinogen and most likely never will because I think they're not for me. But who am I to tell anyone what they can and can't ingest?

The spine myth has been debunked scientifically; in fact, LSD is most likely out of your system before the trip itself is completely over. Maybe you should stop taking everything that everyone older than you (myself and everyone on this board included) has told you about drugs at face value and do some reading of unbiased scientific sources instead?


P.S. If you don't think hallucinogens can serve a purpose, re-read the first 15 or so posts of this thread again and try to not laugh.


GGW's eating them brightened up many of our days for a few seconds and if nothing else, that alone made his eating them worthwhile.
Just a personal preference. Some people are intrigued by the idea of having their world turned inside out for a few hours but I'm not.

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Why do you think they're not for you?

You also seem easily amused. I didn't find this thread funny at all. More like stupid. But maybe stupid is the new funny.


Originally posted by azaghal1981:
I've never taken a hallucinogen and most likely never will because I think they're not for me. But who am I to tell anyone what they can and can't ingest?

The spine myth has been debunked scientifically; in fact, LSD is most likely out of your system before the trip itself is completely over. Maybe you should stop taking everything that everyone older than you (myself and everyone on this board included) has told you about drugs at face value and do some reading of unbiased scientific sources instead?


P.S. If you don't think hallucinogens can serve a purpose, re-read the first 15 or so posts of this thread again and try to not laugh.


GGW's eating them brightened up many of our days for a few seconds and if nothing else, that alone made his eating them worthwhile.
but he wasn't telling others what they should and shouldn't do (aka proselytizing).
thank you, sweetcell. you nailed it…experimenting with drugs should be based on research and personal experience. i'm not saying that everybody should experiment with hallucinogens; in fact, there are many people that should stay far away from the stuff, and i've told some people that they shouldn't fuck with it, based on their personal traits and current mental health.

people that are prone to depression or severe mental illness shouldn't be experimenting with it. even a healthy – mentally – person who has been undergoing some internal trauma should steer clear, though the drug can, in some cases, shed some light on the issue and allow the person to see from a different perspective. although i've experimented with it many times before and will continue to do so until i feel that it no longer has a positive affect on me, there have been times when i know i shouldn't take hallucinogens. this is why i've been able to keep bad experiences to a minimum. there are thousands of people like me who treat these drugs with respect and proper preparation.

sadly, there are many who don't, and these people are the ones who generally have negative experiences. to tell you the truth, the effects of hallucinogens aren't really that unpredictable: there has never been a time, no matter how strong the dosage has been, where i didn't know how to handle myself. it's the combination of mental instability, high amount of dosage, and lack of controlled set and setting which usually causes an unpredictable experience. it is rare, though it has been documented, that acid is laced with strychnine or another dangerous chemical.

on the other hand, regarding mental instability, hallucinogens can be therapeutic. in the early days of LSD, doctors were actually recommending it to people going to therapy, but the experience was moderated by the doctor (dosage, set and setting). there are lots of accounts of patients having positive aspects of their trips that allowed them to view things from a different, and hopefully better, perspective.

another thing that people who haven't delved into hallucinogens don't realize is that you can regulate the amount you ingest, and therefore the intensity of the drug. when i claim that i've tripped over 200 times, it hasn't all been too intense for me to function in society. in fact, those times are few and far between, when i have to stay at home and sit on my couch and not deal with talking to others because communication is too difficult. most of the time, however, i can go to a show or a film or a museum and talk to people just fine. it's like being really high for an extended period of time, and your perception – though not your coordination – is a bit altered, though not necessarily impaired. alcohol can disable one's coordination and judgment just as bad, if not worse, than hallucinogens do.

it's incredibly difficult explaining how hallucinogens function and how they physically affect the body. there are many scientific explanations floating around; with some research, it can easily be posted here. i suggested reading huxley because he accurately and quite elegantly explains the whole process of tripping and how it affects the brain. i'm sure you're familiar with brave new world and perhaps some of his other novels. huxley was the furthest thing from some idiot looking for a quick thrill. most of the people who experimented with hallucinogens in the '50s approached it from a similar standpoint. compendiums like the psychedelic reader are worth researching because they have many fascinating articles describing the chemical make-up and effects of the drug and pretty much everything related to its effect on culture and society.

i could go on and on about this topic because i think a lot of people are misinformed (as noted above, the spinal cord thing is indeed unproven and has been used as propaganda for years to scare people). i'm not the kind of person who will tell anybody what they should or shouldn't do, unless they want advice in a field that i am experienced enough in to offer them. it's true that many people should stay away from hallucinogens because of the likelihood of disaster. kids shouldn't be doing it because they simply haven't had the time to research what they're getting into, and research is important. i read numerous books on the subject and talked to people who experimented with it to know what to expect before i decided to do it myself.

however, when done right, there is nothing in the world, physically and mentally and spiritually, like tripping. it makes everything sound better and appear with a sense of vitality that is missing from sobriety. it opens up avenues of thought that might otherwise lay dormant. as human beings, we have been conditioned with formula and routine for so long that we develop barriers, which prevent us from viewing things from certain perspectives. tripping, like any extreme emotion like love or fear or anger, allows us to overcome those societal barriers without the myopia of intense emotion.

you can take your DARE propaganda and throw it out the window. life ain't like that. i won't even mention the great times and positive experiences i've had on some other drugs, some of which are highly addictive (wherein lies the main problem of opium and cocaine and meth, while hallucinogens are not physically addictive). it is human nature to explore and experiment, and there's nothing wrong with that, as long as education and moderation is involved. don't experiment with drugs if you don't want to, but don't judge others negatively because they might actually be doing it responsibly.
i'd say you people got more to worry about with these idiots and their fishtanks. ban all fishtanks. ban all fishtank fish. fishtank fish will kill us all.

experience life before you dictate it.
Originally posted by you be betty:
[let's slyly forget that i posted last night after two drinks
UNDERAGE DRINKING??? you are fired as board mom. and please stop i dont want you to die
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
Originally posted by you be betty:
[let's slyly forget that i posted last night after two drinks
UNDERAGE DRINKING??? you are fired as board mom. and please stop i dont want you to die
someone in the hall just screamed bingo.
All I know is that having my one year old find a leaf on the ground and bring it to me and hand it to me brings infinitely more joy than any acid trip ever could!
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
All I know is that having my one year old find a leaf on the ground and bring it to me and hand it to me brings infinitely more joy than any acid trip ever could!
until they grow up fourteen years later, hate you, hate everything, wear black, listen to manson, get excited about dark topics like columbine and the such . . . then we'll see who is more happy.
Children are a product of their parents and their good or bad parenting skills.

Originally posted by walkonby:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
All I know is that having my one year old find a leaf on the ground and bring it to me and hand it to me brings infinitely more joy than any acid trip ever could!
until they grow up fourteen years later, hate you, hate everything, wear black, listen to manson, get excited about dark topics like columbine and the such . . . then we'll see who is more happy.
Dude, imagine how trippy that shit would've been on peyote!!!!

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
All I know is that having my one year old find a leaf on the ground and bring it to me and hand it to me brings infinitely more joy than any acid trip ever could!
i jsut read this thread and i thought it was funny until some of you peopel are all like "dont do drugs"

and then i stopped laughing and i just think its stupid now.

does it just make you feel better to tell people to stop doing drugs?

or do you really think cause some girl on the internet says they're bad, someone will stop recreationally using substances?
Originally posted by very sonick:
do you really think cause some girl on the internet says they're bad, someone will stop recreationally using substances?
Is she offering sexual favors with this? :)

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Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
All I know is that having my one year old find a leaf on the ground and bring it to me and hand it to me brings infinitely more joy than any acid trip ever could!
Well righty-oh! Aren't you just the bestest! Peachy keeny wieney do! Now let's all move to Wiscaaahnsin!

Oh, and it was probably a pot leaf. She was trying to get you to lighten up and stop being such an insufferable, self-righteous douche, Grampa.
I see you get your kicks from mocking and calling names. Nice going, teenager.

Originally posted by Relaxer:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
All I know is that having my one year old find a leaf on the ground and bring it to me and hand it to me brings infinitely more joy than any acid trip ever could!
Well righty-oh! Aren't you just the bestest! Peachy keeny wieney do! Now let's all move to Wiscaaahnsin!

Oh, and it was probably a pot leaf. She was trying to get you to lighten up and stop being such an insufferable, self-righteous douche, Grampa.