Stone Temple Pilots

there's been a lot of polite, cautiously laudatory discussion on here lately about STP without anyone stating the obvious: lest we all forget, this band sucks big floppy donkey dick, always have and always will

thank you for letting me get that off my chest. carry on.

i still like when they first came out, and people i know called them pearl jam rip offs, while calling eddie veddder a jim morrison rip off at the same time. stp was/is the motley crue of grunge. god, i can only imagine their crowd nowadays. i see a mass of people now who would have been the ones who beat up the ones who listened to them in the nineties.

not really a fan of STP but they are better than most of the electro/hipster bullshit people rave about these days …

They have a few good jams. I love the guitar solo in 'Trippin' On A Hole In A Paper Heart and 'Dead & Bloated' is a nice rocker. I can't say I'd go to their show though, Weiland annoys me almost as much as Anthony Kiedis…

I've always thought Core is just OK, but the rest of their catalog is pretty strong. Purple and Tiny Music are among the best of the 90s. No. 4 has a few really good tracks ("Atlanta," "Pruno," "Glide"). Shangri-La-Dee-Da is all over the place.

I've found that I haven't really listened to STP a whole lot in the past few years, and their live show was just OK at V-Fest. In 2002, they were a whole lot better.

One thing I've always loved is DeLeo's solos. The Jimmy Page influence is obvious but he makes them his own.

Originally posted by serpent boy:
Purple and Tiny Music are among the best of the 90s.

:eek:

I generally agree with the sentiments about STP, but I still think "Plush" is a great song (not withstanding the lyrics… "wwoooah… when the dogs begin to smell her…")

I completely support this thread.


Really wanted to post something like this in one of the V-Fest threads but didn't want to be a buzzkill.

They came about at a time when that type of music had really worn out its welcome. I put them in the same big pile of generic meat-and-potatoes radio alt-rock that Creed continued after them, and Nickleback still carry the torch for, somehow. They never really created anything that I would consider remotely creative and I couldn't understand why anyone liked them, even the fratboy crowd.

Oh, please. It's good, fun, arena rock. Nothing wrong with that at all. There are many, many worse bands out there than these guys. They're good. They rock. Sometimes that's all it takes.

Originally posted by PigIron:
They came about at a time when that type of music had really worn out its welcome. I put them in the same big pile of generic meat-and-potatoes radio alt-rock that Creed continued after them, and Nickleback still carry the torch for, somehow. They never really created anything that I would consider remotely creative and I couldn't understand why anyone liked them, even the fratboy crowd.

I agree completely with this post

I'm going to have to chime in and completely disagree with this post.

Granted, I first really got into music in STP's heyday, as I was 13 years old when Purple was the 3rd CD I ever purchased. There's an enormous nostalgia factor involved for me with STP obviously. I actually look back on the years from '92 to '96 as a golden age when alt-rock had come into it's own in the mainstream, but hadn't completely diluted. Of course there were awful bands out there, and there were some who could muster one or two good songs, but that was about it. Yet I wouldn't number STP among either of those groups.

Core: Semi-generic hard rock/alt rock. The 4 big singles that are just fun to rock out to, nothing special.

Purple: Absolutely amazing album. For latter-day mainstream alt-rock this is good stuff. Each song had a different feel and texture, some straight on rocked hard, others were acoustic ditties, some a blend of styles, they hinted at some of the sounds they'd bring to further fruition in Tiny Music…

Tiny Music…: Good for them to push their own envelope a bit and strip away the layered wall of guitars left over from Core. This record I think is more cerebrally enjoyable for the jangly looseness of it, it's more rough around the edges. Quality of songwriting had dropped though, you could tell that some songs were complete clunkers.

No. 4: They threw it all back together, sounds from each of the first three albums, but this one is angrier and punkier. Didn't fully appreciated it until recently.

Can't give a flash review of their last album as I never ended up getting it. The point of STP was not to be some respected intellectual groundbreaking group of musicians putting out niche market songs unique in style and thus more praised by the pitchfork crowd. They were a classic mainstream rock band that were able to change with each album yet retain enough of a pop sheen to please the masses. I personally like a lot more of their output than Pearl Jam's even though I will rank Ten above anything STP has mustered.

As to the allegation they're ripping off Pearl Jam, I would argue STP is better than Pearl Jam… who are godawful.

I'll just say that I attended a STP, Butthole Surfers, Flaming Lips bill. Guess who sucked royal IMO? They could've easily came up with literaly a thousand bands that would've pleased the crowd more than STP. For the record, I wasn't 13 so my view may have been skewed.

That's such a lop-sided bill!

Originally posted by azaghal1981:
That's such a lop-sided bill!

Completely illogical as far as I'm concerned. Gibby had fun. Him and my friend Mitch commadeered a golf court and drove throughout the crowd. I beiieve he may have shot a few shotgun blasts as well. Scott Wieland can't hold a candle creatively with either of the other frontman. Again, just mu opinion, and I'm stickin wit it. Anyone who certainly has the right to disagree, we probably wouldn't be hangin tight even if we lived on the same block.AZ 81, check your PM's.

Beavis: Is this Pearl Jam?
Butt-head: Yeah. Eddie Vedder dyed his hair red.
Beavis: Wait a minute, this isn't Pearl Jam!
Butt-head: Yeah. It's good to see you thinking, Beavis.

Butt-head: That guy makes faces like Eddie Vedder.
Beavis: No way! Eddie Vedder makes faces like this guy.
Butt-head: They both make faces like that John Belushi dude.
Beavis: Yeah. And he's dead.
Butt-head: I heard these guys came first, and then Pearl Jam ripped them off.
Beavis: No way, Butt-head! Pearl Jam came first!
Butt-head: Uh, well, they both suck.
Beavis: Hey Butt-head, Pearl Jam doesn't suck, they're from Seattle.
Butt-head: Oh yeah.

[a rottweiler is seen in the video]

Beavis: That bear is cool.
Butt-head: It takes a lot more than bears to make a video cool, Beavis.
Beavis: What if the bear was, like, taking a dump?
Butt-head: Well, that might work.

Butt-head: I wanna dye my hair orange.
Beavis: Yeah. You'd look good, Butt-head. You should do it.