Doctor Doom
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Re: are we less of a night owl city than we once were?
September 13, 2004 at 05:28 PM UTC
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well the dual sets concept kinda nicely fits the some-people-work-nine-to-five-but-other-people-don't rubric, as well. :)
I think Rhett should stick to Crosby Stills & Nash concerts at Merriwether Post Pavillion ;)
Rhett Miller
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Re: are we less of a night owl city than we once were?
September 13, 2004 at 05:29 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Well DC9 is caters to an under 25- I don't have a professional job crowd anyway.
I'll bet if the Birchmere tried to keep the hours of DC9, they'd be out of business.
And as I said, the 9:30 and Iota, both venues with a lot of appeal to the 25+ crowd, both get their weeknight headliners on at a fairly reasonable hour.
Originally posted by redsock:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I'll bet a lot more people would go to shows if they started at 8 and ended by 11.
DC9 had a big problem with folks not wanting to come to an early show on weekends, and have since changed their policy. Kinda rebuffs your point.
Rhett Miller
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Re: are we less of a night owl city than we once were?
September 13, 2004 at 05:32 PM UTC
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Who drinks more than onebeer at 11:30 on a worknight anyway?
Originally posted by BookerT:
if shows started earlier and had no opening bands no clubs would be in business. if you have people in the club from, say, 8 pm to 10 pm, you sure aren't going to sell as many $5 beers as if you had people in the club from 9:30 pm to 1:30 a.m.
bellenseb
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Re: are we less of a night owl city than we once were?
September 13, 2004 at 05:34 PM UTC
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I think the DC9 thing was just backwards… earlier shows on the weekends than on the weeknights? I realize it was because of DJs, but still.
chaz
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Re: are we less of a night owl city than we once were?
September 13, 2004 at 05:36 PM UTC
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Mostly just loser-alcoholics, which most of us clearly are. :D
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Who drinks more than onebeer at 11:30 on a worknight anyway?
Originally posted by BookerT:
if shows started earlier and had no opening bands no clubs would be in business. if you have people in the club from, say, 8 pm to 10 pm, you sure aren't going to sell as many $5 beers as if you had people in the club from 9:30 pm to 1:30 a.m.
redsock
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Re: are we less of a night owl city than we once were?
September 13, 2004 at 05:48 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Well DC9 is caters to an under 25- I don't have a professional job crowd anyway.
I'll bet if the Birchmere tried to keep the hours of DC9, they'd be out of business.
Well, since they are 21+ it seems unlikely they are looking for such a small niche as the 21-24 non-professional job crowd. The birchmere and DC9 couldn't be further apart musically. Perhaps we should just leave it at the venues should cater to their audience. The in bed by 11 set should frequent Birchmere, and the night owls (regardless of their careers) should hit Warehouse next door and VL.
Rhett Miller
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Re: are we less of a night owl city than we once were?
September 13, 2004 at 05:52 PM UTC
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If I were a Tommy Keene fan, I'd go see him do a headlining gig at an intimate place like Iota, not doing an opening stint at 9:30.
Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
There's no reason for shows to go on as late as they do. I'll bet a lot more people would go to shows if they started at 8 and ended by 11. Also, there's really no reason to have an opening act. Nobody gives a fuck about the opener. And if they do, they should just go see the opener when they have a headlining gig.
yup nobody gave a fuck about tommy keene :roll:
chaz
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Re: are we less of a night owl city than we once were?
September 13, 2004 at 06:12 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
If I were a Tommy Keene fan, I'd go see him do a headlining gig at an intimate place like Iota, not doing an opening stint at 9:30.
You are in truly rare form today Rhett. I salute you.
Rhett Miller
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Re: are we less of a night owl city than we once were?
September 13, 2004 at 06:16 PM UTC
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Well thank you.
But honestly, how many of the people who attended the GBV show could honestly say that the deciding factor in going was the fact that the great Tommy Keene was opening?
Originally posted by chaz:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
If I were a Tommy Keene fan, I'd go see him do a headlining gig at an intimate place like Iota, not doing an opening stint at 9:30.
You are in truly rare form today Rhett. I salute you.
chaz
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Re: are we less of a night owl city than we once were?
September 13, 2004 at 06:52 PM UTC
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Originally posted by chaz:
You are in truly rare form today Rhett. I salute you.
Make that I "Salty Salute" you.
bags
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Re: are we less of a night owl city than we once were?
September 13, 2004 at 07:04 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I've probably been to 150-200 concerts in my life…maybe more, and maybe one or two of them had an opener that was the deciding factor in going.
But that's just me.
I tend to get to shows in time to see the opening band less often than several other board members, but I go to see an opener probably one in four or five shows. And that's how I discovered the Rosebuds, Washington Social Club (whom I saw open for Hot Hot Heat, not on their own – I hadn't heard of them yet), The Shazam, The Capitol Years, etc.
Since Jan 1, 2004, I've been to ten shows specifically to see the opener (and left at some point during the headliner four of those times).
bags
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Re: are we less of a night owl city than we once were?
September 13, 2004 at 07:06 PM UTC
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Originally posted by redsock:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I'll bet a lot more people would go to shows if they started at 8 and ended by 11.
DC9 had a big problem with folks not wanting to come to an early show on weekends, and have since changed their policy. Kinda rebuffs your point.
I was going to say the same…they got a lot of negative feedback on their "shows over by 10:00" policy. Even on weeknights, as 8:00 is early to start.
skeeter
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Re: are we less of a night owl city than we once were?
September 13, 2004 at 07:07 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
But honestly, how many of the people who attended the GBV show could honestly say that the deciding factor in going was the fact that the great Tommy Keene was opening?
Me. There were only 2 reasons I went to this show. 1) It was my last chance to see GBV (who I had never seen before), and 2) Tommy Keene. Tommy wasn't the only reason I went, but him opening definitely influenced my decision.
Rhett Miller
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Re: are we less of a night owl city than we once were?
September 13, 2004 at 07:12 PM UTC
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Why is 8 pm an "early start"? Exactly what time do most people get out of work? Sporting events start before 8 pm and people don't complain that they start too early.
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by redsock:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I'll bet a lot more people would go to shows if they started at 8 and ended by 11.
DC9 had a big problem with folks not wanting to come to an early show on weekends, and have since changed their policy. Kinda rebuffs your point.
I was going to say the same…they got a lot of negative feedback on their "shows over by 10:00" policy. Even on weeknights, as 8:00 is early to start.
bags
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Re: are we less of a night owl city than we once were?
September 13, 2004 at 07:15 PM UTC
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Don't ask me, I didn't complain. But I saw the complaints go in to DC9….I live 8 minutes away, I got no problems.
Although one thing that makes some sense is folks going to DC9 to see a band are more likely to want to go home and change and eat dinner (no food at DC9), whereas most folks who go to MCI go right from work and eat that exorbitantly-priced food there.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Why is 8 pm an "early start"? Exactly what time do most people get out of work? Sporting events start before 8 pm and people don't complain that they start too early.
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by redsock:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I'll bet a lot more people would go to shows if they started at 8 and ended by 11.
DC9 had a big problem with folks not wanting to come to an early show on weekends, and have since changed their policy. Kinda rebuffs your point.
I was going to say the same…they got a lot of negative feedback on their "shows over by 10:00" policy. Even on weeknights, as 8:00 is early to start.
keithstg
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Re: are we less of a night owl city than we once were?
September 13, 2004 at 07:19 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Why is 8 pm an "early start"? Exactly what time do most people get out of work? Sporting events start before 8 pm and people don't complain that they start too early.
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by redsock:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I'll bet a lot more people would go to shows if they started at 8 and ended by 11.
DC9 had a big problem with folks not wanting to come to an early show on weekends, and have since changed their policy. Kinda rebuffs your point.
I was going to say the same…they got a lot of negative feedback on their "shows over by 10:00" policy. Even on weeknights, as 8:00 is early to start.
One thing to consider - food is readily availble at major sporting events, and while I'm sure you'll counter that food is available at concert venues as well, people don't think of shows as a place to eat. Add time to eat before the show and commute to the show, and that makes 8:00 a tight fit for some folks.
Personally, I don't know many people who only work 9-5. I'd say the standard among my friends is more like 8-6:30 or 7:30-6:30…making an 8:00 show after that is tough.
ggw
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Re: are we less of a night owl city than we once were?
September 13, 2004 at 07:19 PM UTC
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Not everyone is a government slacker.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Exactly what time do most people get out of work?
Rhett Miller
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Re: are we less of a night owl city than we once were?
September 13, 2004 at 07:22 PM UTC
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Isn't it sad that we live in a country where the standards are being at work from 10.5-11 hours a day? Fucking employers have people by the balls.
Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Why is 8 pm an "early start"? Exactly what time do most people get out of work? Sporting events start before 8 pm and people don't complain that they start too early.
Originally posted by Bags:
Originally posted by redsock:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
I'll bet a lot more people would go to shows if they started at 8 and ended by 11.
DC9 had a big problem with folks not wanting to come to an early show on weekends, and have since changed their policy. Kinda rebuffs your point.
I was going to say the same…they got a lot of negative feedback on their "shows over by 10:00" policy. Even on weeknights, as 8:00 is early to start.
One thing to consider - food is readily availble at major sporting events, and while I'm sure you'll counter that food is available at concert venues as well, people don't think of shows as a place to eat. Add time to eat before the show and commute to the show, and that makes 8:00 a tight fit for some folks.
Personally, I don't know many people who only work 9-5. I'd say the standard among my friends is more like 8-6:30 or 7:30-6:30…making an 8:00 show after that is tough.