brennser
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Re: Le Tour
July 06, 2004 at 01:26 PM UTC
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so how many people think Armstrongs 5 and maybe 6 wins have been achieved honestly? just curious….
markie
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Re: Le Tour
July 06, 2004 at 01:30 PM UTC
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Originally posted by brennser:
just bi-curious….
Honestly? I think it is clear that all professional road cyclists rely on some sort of illegal performance enhancement. It is impossible to trace pumping your own red blood cells back in….. for instance.
mankie
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Re: Le Tour
July 06, 2004 at 01:30 PM UTC
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I doubt Armstrong dopes….I also doubt (and hope) he doesn't make it six. I would like him to stay within the group who won it five times…I'd like to see Tyler beat Lance, if he can stay on his feckn bike for a change that is. I'd also like a European win it seeing as it's really a European sport. If it weren't for Lance doodles wouldn't give a toss about le tour.
jkeisenh
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Re: Le Tour
July 06, 2004 at 01:39 PM UTC
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Ullrich deserves this win. That's all I can say.
They're on cobblestones right now. Very exciting– lots of crashes and bikes breaking down.
And on that note– why is it everyone points to cyclists for "doping"? What about all the other sports? Isn't it possible that folks are just good?
markie
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Re: Le Tour
July 06, 2004 at 01:45 PM UTC
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You lot are nuts if you think cyclists do not dope. How many team doctors have been caught with syringes? Why did they impose a maximum heamatocrit level, if doping isnt taking place?
Doping even filters down to the local club level…..
Rhett Miller
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Re: Le Tour
July 06, 2004 at 01:55 PM UTC
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Is Lance Armstrong still banging Sheryl Crow?
chaz
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Re: Le Tour
July 06, 2004 at 02:01 PM UTC
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I'm pretty clear on what steroids do to enchance performance, but what exactly is doping and how does it help?
mankie
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Re: Le Tour
July 06, 2004 at 02:08 PM UTC
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Doping is more common in cycling than any other sport no question.
Ullrich is probably more deserving to win than anyone seeing as he's been Armstrongs bridesmaid for the last few years. But a part of me would like to see Tyler doing Subaru commercials for a change, and he doesn't seem to be nearly as much an arrogant bastard as Lance….the media has also killed the Lance Armstrong thing for me. I still admire him for all he's been through and what he's achieved, but just sick to the back teeth of seeing his face all over the friggin place. As usual, the American media has run him into the ground.
brennser
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Re: Le Tour
July 06, 2004 at 02:11 PM UTC
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so are they all doping? would that make it a level playing field?
didn't millar the scot admit to doping recently?
Originally posted by mark e smith:
You lot are nuts if you think cyclists do not dope. How many team doctors have been caught with syringes? Why did they impose a maximum heamatocrit level, if doping isnt taking place?
Doping even filters down to the local club level…..
chaz
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Re: Le Tour
July 06, 2004 at 02:39 PM UTC
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OK….I've learned that the term doping covers all performance enhancing techniques….roids, stimulants etc.
How is it beneficial to recycle your own red blood cells?
brennser
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Re: Le Tour
July 06, 2004 at 02:40 PM UTC
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I think it increases stamina
markie
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Re: Le Tour
July 06, 2004 at 02:46 PM UTC
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Originally posted by chaz:
I'm pretty clear on what steroids do to enchance performance, but what exactly is doping and how does it help?
Umm doping.
A few months before an event, give a couple of llitres of blood, spin down the red blood cells and freeze away. A few days before the event thaw the cells and reinject. More red blood cells means more oxygen carrying capability.
The same effect is garnered from taking human erytrhropoeitin, (EPO) as it is the human form it is untraceable…..
Both of these are like training at altitude, but the effects are more pronounced. Pantani was thrown off the Giro a few years ago for having a hematocrit above 51%….
markie
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Re: Le Tour
July 06, 2004 at 02:50 PM UTC
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more red blood cells, more oxygen carrying capacity. So that means that it increases the threshold a rider can ride aerobically, which is sustainable, rather than anaerobic, which is non sustainable.
markie
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Re: Le Tour
July 06, 2004 at 02:58 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Sailor Ripley:
Ya caught me mark… [/QB]
Is that why you keep beating me up that final climb? Right, I have a centrifuge and some syringes, I'll see you in a months time.
ggw
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Re: Le Tour
July 06, 2004 at 03:25 PM UTC
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Originally posted by Bollocks:
Doping is more common in cycling than any other sport no question.
I believe the biathlon may have a higher incidence of doping.