the names/identities of the characters (thus born) were created in america. nothing to do with where they work.
and yes, i am a dork. thank you.
and yes, i am a dork. thank you.
Joe the Plumber appreciation thread
Yeah, this back and forth is even too geeky for me.
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
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Originally posted by kosmo:update: cause it's the fair and balanced thing to do… mr. jt plumber is indeed registered just under a slightly different spelling of his name, probably just a data entry typo but something that could have gotten him disenfranchised were he a newly registered voter in oh…
awesome…. the buzz on the intertubes is that joe the plumber isn't even registered to vote, is somehow related to charles keating, was on msnbc rattling off gop talking point and is against social security… do i smell an unvetted plant?
Latest is that he doesn't even have a plumbing license and owes a bunch of money in back taxes.
He also admitted to NBC that Obama's tax increase won't be affecting him at all.
Yet another epic fail for McCain.
He also admitted to NBC that Obama's tax increase won't be affecting him at all.
Yet another epic fail for McCain.
next thing we know, he really is not bald.
Even better - Joe the Plumber is a relative of Charles Keating!
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/the-vetting-of.html
From the HuffPost article Sullivan cites:
"Anyway, back to Robert Wurzelbacher, Joe the Plumber's father. You see, Robert Wurzelbacher was an executive of American Continental Corporation, the parent company of Charles Keating's Lincoln Savings. That's the bank which caused citizens to lose their life savings and cost U.S. taxpayers $3.4 billion. As part of that scandal, Robert Wurzelbacher pleaded guilty to three counts of misapplying $14 million and served 40 months in prison."
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/the-vetting-of.html
From the HuffPost article Sullivan cites:
"Anyway, back to Robert Wurzelbacher, Joe the Plumber's father. You see, Robert Wurzelbacher was an executive of American Continental Corporation, the parent company of Charles Keating's Lincoln Savings. That's the bank which caused citizens to lose their life savings and cost U.S. taxpayers $3.4 billion. As part of that scandal, Robert Wurzelbacher pleaded guilty to three counts of misapplying $14 million and served 40 months in prison."
according to another forum, joe has a profile on manhunt.com (notorious gay website) not sure if that is true.
Originally posted by azaghal1981:
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The Keating thing is too funny!
He said the business consists of owner Al Newell and him. Wurzelbacher said he's worked there for six years and that the two have talked about his taking it over at some point.two guys and they are netting $250k? i call bullshit
Don't we all?
Originally posted by walkonby:
according to another forum, joe has a profile on manhunt.com (notorious gay website) not sure if that is true.
Originally posted by callat703:Awh, sad. This would have been amazing if true:
Even better - Joe the Plumber is a relative of Charles Keating!
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/the-vetting-of.html
From the HuffPost article Sullivan cites:
"Anyway, back to Robert Wurzelbacher, Joe the Plumber's father. You see, Robert Wurzelbacher was an executive of American Continental Corporation, the parent company of Charles Keating's Lincoln Savings. That's the bank which caused citizens to lose their life savings and cost U.S. taxpayers $3.4 billion. As part of that scandal, Robert Wurzelbacher pleaded guilty to three counts of misapplying $14 million and served 40 months in prison."
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/16/133831/42/1001/632600
Robert M. Wurzelbacher, son-in-law of Keating, was 37 years old in 1991 when federal charges were filed against Keating. It appears that he has addresses in Phoenix and Coronado, CA.
The Robert M. Wurzelbacher of Milford, OH, a heavy donor to GOP candidates, is 83 years old and retired. They're not the same person.
Digging to see if this guy is a plant or a hypocrite is a good idea. But I think it's equally important to know the link before idle speculation.
The premise that Obama's tax plan would affect this guy's ability to buy out his partner is a joke.
Its also weird that this is a real guy. McCain was talking like he was a made up character like when he said "Congratulations Joe, you're rich." But he's not rich.
Its also weird that this is a real guy. McCain was talking like he was a made up character like when he said "Congratulations Joe, you're rich." But he's not rich.
Ahh yes, let's all completely ignore the basis of why Joe the Plumber got brought up. . .obama told him that taxes should go up so that government can facilitate wealth redistribution. now, i realize that nearly all of y'all here are more than supportive of that concept. . but, there's a lot of people outside of the east and west coasts that would rather not the government do that. . .
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:Maybe true, though I don't know that this one statement is going to stick to Obama as indicative of his entire plan. It certainly is a poor phrasing of what increasing taxes on the rich will accomplish - but you certainly could reduce it this way, as many conservative commentators already have. But you're completely ignoring the basis of what we're bringing up: that it seems like there isn't any reason to believe anything John McCain says anymore.
Ahh yes, let's all completely ignore the basis of why Joe the Plumber got brought up. . .obama told him that taxes should go up so that government can facilitate wealth redistribution. now, i realize that nearly all of y'all here are more than supportive of that concept. . but, there's a lot of people outside of the east and west coasts that would rather not the government do that. . .
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:wow, someone actually got the point.
Ahh yes, let's all completely ignore the basis of why Joe the Plumber got brought up. . .obama told him that taxes should go up so that government can facilitate wealth redistribution. now, i realize that nearly all of y'all here are more than supportive of that concept. . but, there's a lot of people outside of the east and west coasts that would rather not the government do that. . .
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:you mean the people from the square states?
Ahh yes, let's all completely ignore the basis of why Joe the Plumber got brought up. . .obama told him that taxes should go up so that government can facilitate wealth redistribution. now, i realize that nearly all of y'all here are more than supportive of that concept. . but, there's a lot of people outside of the east and west coasts that would rather not the government do that. . .
well there are a lot fewer of them and last time i checked majority rules in this country!
Originally posted by callat703:is not obama's entire income tax plan (as opposed to capital gains, payroll and dividend tax plan, which is the issue economists have with obama's tax plan) premised on increasing taxes on those making above $250,000? isn't that nothing more than government sponsored redistribution, not to mention an extremely progressive and potentially crippling tax hike (sorry, had to throw that in there; i'm not ashamed of my libertarian-ness)?
Maybe true, though I don't know that this one statement is going to stick to Obama as indicative of his entire plan. It certainly is a poor phrasing of what increasing taxes on the rich will accomplish - but you certainly could reduce it this way, as many conservative commentators already have. But you're completely ignoring the basis of what we're bringing up: that it seems like there isn't any reason to believe anything John McCain says anymore.
let's not forget, government intervention isn't always the best thing in an economic panic.
btw, this is an interesting fact check
Originally posted by very sonick:<cue mankie to rail against the electoral college>
well there are a lot fewer of them and last time i checked majority rules in this country!
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:ok, let's not. joe the plumber claimed that obama's tax plan will hurt him. but:
Ahh yes, let's all completely ignore the basis of why Joe the Plumber got brought up.
And his question to Mr. Obama about paying taxes? According to some tax analysts, if Mr. Wurzelbacherâ??s gross receipts from his business is $250,000 â?? and not his taxable income â?? then he would not have to pay higher taxes under Mr. Obamaâ??s plan, and probably would be eligible for a tax cut. (source)personally, i don't see anything wrong with redistribution. if this country enables you to make $250k or more, you can pay an extra 4% in taxes - and only on the amount above $250k. the current government has been redistributing for 7 years now - to oil companies, big business and the rich. i don't get why folks are so quick to run to the defense of the $250k set.
b/c small companies that register as sole proprietorships deserve this…