Operation Cease Fire

Umm, Ellis, do you really believe in what you are saying or are you just a troll? <img src="http://www.magpienest.org/feathersofhope/images/2005/04/troll.jpg" alt=" - " />

I think "bored at work" rather than "troll" is a more apt description.

Originally posted by canker-blossom:
Umm, Ellis, do you really believe in what you are saying or are you just a troll?

I'd rather be a troll than be a…
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I would rather be spineless: <img src="http://members.tripod.com/mr_piechart/enter/highstreet/nammag.jpg" alt=" - " />


http://members.tripod.com/mr_piechart/enter/highstreet/nammag.jpg

darn:

go here and listen to the NAM magazine radio add.

http://members.tripod.com/mr_piechart/enter/highstreet.htm

also, keep the option open of stopping by snailhook's for his annual free folk phantasmagory. everything from japanese female no wave to avant banjo will be covered.

Wow, how did I jumped from being against the war in Iraq - to supporting Al Queda? That's just crazy talk, dood. I'm not riding around on Bin Laden's camel - a la Jane Fonda - and I kinda resent YOUR extremist remarks. What exactly are YOU afraid of?

Though I don't necessarily agree with his remarks, they seem far from extremist, and in line with quite a bit of mainstream America.

Originally posted by BadSushi:
Wow, how did I jumped from being against the war in Iraq - to supporting Al Queda? That's just crazy talk, dood. I'm not riding around on Bin Laden's camel - a la Jane Fonda - and I kinda resent YOUR extremist remarks. What exactly are YOU afraid of?

Most Americans, according to recent polls, are against our current position/occupation in Iraq. So how does support for that position constitute being "mainstream?"

The majority of Americans voted for GW Bush in 2004. Does that mean that those who voted for John Kerry were not mainstream? You can be in the minority and still well within the mainstream.

Originally posted by j_lee:
Most Americans, according to recent polls, are against our current position/occupation in Iraq. So how does support for that position constitute being "mainstream?"

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
The majority of Americans voted for GW Bush in 2004. Does that mean that those who voted for John Kerry were not mainstream? You can be in the minority and still well within the mainstream.

Originally posted by j_lee:
Most Americans, according to recent polls, are against our current position/occupation in Iraq. So how does support for that position constitute being "mainstream?"

While the majority of Americans voted for Bush, 60% of the public is currently opposed to the war in Iraq!!!! (According to opceasefire.org)

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer:
The majority of Americans voted for GW Bush in 2004. Does that mean that those who voted for John Kerry were not mainstream? You can be in the minority and still well within the mainstream.

Originally posted by j_lee:
Most Americans, according to recent polls, are against our current position/occupation in Iraq. So how does support for that position constitute being "mainstream?"

The majority of americans who voted voted for Bush. That's not necessarily a majority of americans, or even a majority of voting age americans. Anybody have the stats on this?

Regardless, the show sounds fun.

Originally posted by BadSushi:
Wow, how did I jumped from being against the war in Iraq - to supporting Al Queda? That's just crazy talk, dood. I'm not riding around on Bin Laden's camel - a la Jane Fonda - and I kinda resent YOUR extremist remarks. What exactly are YOU afraid of?

The Washington DC mall security detail can take that day off. There's no way that Al Qaeda would ever dare target such an happenning as Operation Cease Fire, a staged event that plays right into their hands. That's like giving Fat Albert the keys to the pudding pops. Way to go Jello Biafra.

For anyone that's opposed to an event such as Operation Cease Fire or for the dumbasses that think Iraq is somehow related to 9/11 and terrorism, here's an event for you. You can wrap yourself in an American flag and stand side by side with Donny Rumsfeld to show off your patriotism at the America Supports You Freedom Walk on 9/11 followed by a concert by Clint Black on the mall. It's pretty sad how both 9/11 and the troops keep being exploited for blatant propaganda purposes. Clint Black, btw, is the man responsible for one of the worst songs ever recorded.

i think it's dishonorable how much is made of 9/11, it must be horrible for those most directly affected by those events. people who lost one family members that day who maybe still be trying to recover or come to terms with, only to have it brought up and shoved in their faces by the media, etc. there is no need for a national holiday, events,etc. if people want to mark it, then it should be done privately…

Originally posted by pickup:
While the majority of Americans voted for Bush, 60% of the public is currently opposed to the war in Iraq!!!! (According to opceasefire.org) [/QB]

according to operation cease fire. . ha ha. . .that's like if i showed a poll that said 60% supports the war (according to foxnews.com).

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
according to operation cease fire. . ha ha. . .that's like if i showed a poll that said 60% supports the war (according to foxnews.com).

True. How about a legitimate news source?

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8831425/

Deadly attacks increase pressure on Bush
New survey shows lowest approval yet for his handling of war

NEWS ANALYSIS
By Tom Raum
The Associated Press
Updated: 8:41 a.m. ET Aug. 5, 2005

Editor's Note: Tom Raum has covered Washington for The Associated Press since 1973, including five presidencies.

WASHINGTON - The deadly recent attacks on American troops in Iraq are increasing the pressure on President Bush to develop an exit strategy. The U.S. death toll from the war is now over 1,800, and a new AP-Ipsos poll shows the lowest approval yet for Bushâ??s handling of Iraq, just 38 percent.

The presidentâ??s fellow Republicans are growing nervous as they head into an election year.

Yet the administration must also confront the possibility that a U.S. drawdown of troops â?? tentatively planned to begin next spring â?? could further embolden the insurgents and throw Iraq into civil war.

â??We will stay the course. We will complete the job in Iraq,â? Bush pledged anew during a news conference on his Texas ranch with Colombian President Alvaro Uribe.

Bush suggested his resolve was only strengthened by a videotaped warning earlier Thursday from al-Qaidaâ??s second-in-command, Ayman al-Zawahri, threatening more terror attacks in Britain and tens of thousands of U.S. military deaths if the United States doesnâ??t withdraw.

There has been little outward sign of progress in U.S.-led efforts to defeat the insurgency and to beef up the Iraqi army and police so they can take over security responsibilities and allow an orderly withdrawal of American forces.

Particularly lethal bombings over the past few weeks, including a roadside bomb that claimed the lives of 14 Marines on Wednesday, have made the situation look even bleaker than U.S. military experts suggest it is.

Eroding support
That translates into a continued erosion of public support for Bushâ??s Iraq policy at home.

An AP-Ipsos poll taken Monday through Wednesday indicated that just 38 percent of Americans approve of Bushâ??s handling of Iraq. A year ago, the public was evenly divided on Iraq, and Bushâ??s stance on the war and terrorism helped him to election victory.

Bush has lost support most dramatically among younger women, especially those who live in the suburbs, and among men with a high school education or less.

Despite the horrific headlines, many military analysts say that attacks on U.S. troops have actually remained constant in recent weeks while attacks on Iraqi civilians have increased.

â??As tragic as they are, they donâ??t establish a pattern that says U.S. casualties are getting consistently worse,â? said Anthony H. Cordesman, an Iraq expert and former Pentagon intelligence official. He attributed recent deaths of Marines to the fact that â??these are more aggressive military patrols going into hostile areas.â?


Even so, Bush faces a real dilemma, said Cordesman, now with the Center for Strategic and International Studies. â??The presidentâ??s legacy, if he fails in Iraq, historically is an absolute disaster. President Bush and the Bush administration can scarcely ignore that problem.â?

â??If you pull out troops too quickly now, and you see the situation in Iraq collapse before the midterm elections, the impact is going to be far more serious than if you keep the troops in at reasonable levels,â? Cordesman said.

Regardless of whether attacks against U.S. troops are increasing overall or remaining constant, the deaths over the past few days of Marines in western Iraq â?? including multiple losses for the community of Brook Park, Ohio â?? underscore that things in Iraq are not going well.

I italicized the appropriate text.

38% approve of Bush's handling of Iraq.

That's not the same as saying 38% now approve of our being there, which is what the protestors are trying to change.

I don't approve of Bush's handling of Iraq, but I do believe that we need to stay there and clean up the mess we made.

The Operation Ceasefire performer schedule is as follows:

2:05 PM - Machetres

2:30 PM - Living Things

3:18 PM - Joan Baez

3:50 PM - Wayne Kramer and the Bellrays

4:41 PM - Steve Earle

5:31 PM - The Coup

6:23 PM - Sweet Honey in the Rock

7:09 PM - The Evens

7:54 PM - Ted Leo+Pharmacists

8:50 PM - Head Roc

9:37 PM - Thievery Corporation

10:59 PM - Pure Belly Dance

11:27 PM - Bouncing Souls

12:12 AM - Le Tigre

The following speakers will appear between the musical acts: host Jello Biafra, Co-Founder of Gold Star Families for Peace Cindy Sheehan, Representative Lynn Woolsey, Washington Wizard Forward Etan Thomas, Former State Department Officer Ann Wright, national radio commentator Jim Hightower, Fernando Suarez del Solar of Gold Star Families, Reverend Graylan Hagler, Cindy Corrie, Mother of peace activist Rachel Corrie who was killed in the West Bank, Code Pink and Global Exchange Co-Founder Medea Benjamin, the DC Guerilla Poets, Investigative Journalist Greg Palast, Iraq Vets Against the War Co- Founder Michael Hoffman, Anti-Flag drummer Pat Thetic and more.

http://www.opceasefire.org/

Jello's whiny tone will surely topple the Washington Monument.

Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
let me get this straight by protesting with a concert it's a victory for the terrorists…

but don't the terrorists win when events like this don't happen out of fear they might strike?

hope your bunker is nice and comfy….

well A-FUCKING-MEN.
i'll be here, but have to leave at six probably ( long before the evens, ted leo, and my very very favorites le tigre will take the stage :( ) for my good friends top-secret surprise birthday party which was planned before any of us knew about op ceasefire. but it's going to be a very intimate thing with a small crowd, and i would feel way too guilty being like "yeah, i'm missing your birthday because i'm going to a concert" for something that it's not like i have paid for.
i actually don't think anybody i was even looking forward to seeing is playing before i have to leave, but it's really important for me to be at this thing for the RALLY aspect, because this whole situation in Iraq is just ridiculous.