Virginia Tech's Professor of Hate

What's obnoxious about this whole situation is the fact that everyone is looking at this and trying to blame professors and security at the school and all these other extraneous factors that can almost never be controlled.
You never know how high of a correlation there was between the student and the professor. Pointing the finger at the professor is the wrong thing to do. Interesting, maybe - but wrong. Regardless, she was protecting his rights.
Additionally, nobody metal detects you while walking into campus buildings, so yes. Anyone could have come in and shot the place up. Yes, SWAT teams should have arrived early. But they didn't.

I will possibly get shot by a few of you for saying this. And I am a firm believer in the Constitution and a believer in individuals' rights. I get pissy when the government takes stuff away from me. But the gun this kid had should have never reached him. It should have never been on THE MARKET. The only purpose of an automatic shotgun like the one he had is to kill. Why they are legal for anyone other than law enforcement in this country is completely beyond me; it should be beyond the NRA. And don't say "background checks," because you and I and everybody knows that in this country you can slip money under the table and get ANYTHING you want. Obviously, the system is flawed. So I ask, why is this product even on the market in the first place? If Cho had walked in there with a hunting rifle he would have been stopped before this many people were killed. And the only reason this number of people were killed was because of the rifle he was using.

Please stop looking to the past and targeting slightly-valid-but-irrational correlations with professors because it isn't solving anything. This shit will continue to happen if people only concern themselves with the professors.

Originally posted by le sonick:
just so everyone knows. "all men are created equal" was written by a slave owner.

and your country was started by a bunch of dudes who wanted to overthrow the government they were living under so they could be rich and powerful.

or is that not the way they teach it in american schools?

THAT. JUST. BLEW. MY. MIND.

i love how people use this puerile crap as a rhetorical argument, assuming that no one has ever thought about the contradictions of our founding fathers, and using them to discredit whatever they're looking to attack

Originally posted by you be betty:
I will possibly get shot by a few of you for saying this. And I am a firm believer in the Constitution and a believer in individuals' rights. I get pissy when the government takes stuff away from me. But the gun this kid had should have never reached him. It should have never been on THE MARKET. The only purpose of an automatic shotgun like the one he had is to kill. Why they are legal for anyone other than law enforcement in this country is completely beyond me; it should be beyond the NRA. And don't say "background checks," because you and I and everybody knows that in this country you can slip money under the table and get ANYTHING you want. Obviously, the system is flawed. So I ask, why is this product even on the market in the first place? If Cho had walked in there with a hunting rifle he would have been stopped before this many people were killed. And the only reason this number of people were killed was because of the rifle he was using.

i worked on the brady campaign and gun control issues for years, and i can tell you that the one thing that sets back the cause more than anything is people who know absolutely nothing about guns blindly railing against them

Cho didn't have an "automatic shotgun" or a "rifle", he had two semi-automatic pistols.

you'd have to really know what you're doing to make an "automatic shotgun", or somehow get your hands on something like this

Thanks for more crediibly illuminating what I was alluding to.

And where did I say anything about homosexuals? I was making a (joking) slight toward men who affect an air of femininity; which has nothing to do with homosexuality.

Originally posted by le sonick:
just so everyone knows. "all men are created equal" was written by a slave owner.

and your country was started by a bunch of dudes who wanted to overthrow the government they were living under so they could be rich and powerful.

or is that not the way they teach it in american schools?

I'm sorry. I'm not going to pretend I know a whole lot about guns, because I don't. But don't you see what I'm getting at?

If he wouldn't have even had access to something semi-automatic…if the only thing on the market for us folks would have been some traditional sort of gun that required much reloading and shot less than his did in that amount of time…he wouldn't have gotten away with killing that many people.

Originally posted by you be betty:
I'm sorry. I'm not going to pretend I know a whole lot about guns, because I don't. But don't you see what I'm getting at?

If he wouldn't have even had access to something semi-automatic…if the only thing on the market for us folks would have been some traditional sort of gun that required much reloading and shot less than his did in that amount of time…he wouldn't have gotten away with killing that many people.

restricting the availability of semi-automatic weapons is definitely a valid viewpoint, but if you don't know what you're talking about then you do more harm than help, and feed the NRA stereotypes of liberal morons looking to take away all their guns

Betty's mistake is quite common and easily forgivable when the person has an open mind to learning more about the subject. It's a simple mistake to make. I'm with Hoya on this one though Betty has it right about the other stuff. Everyone is always trying to blame someone other than the one who committed the crime.

Now Sonick and Rhett are total morons. It's their type of thinking that continually contributes to the constant erosion of our Constitutional rights. Ironically, as much as they both whine, they will be the very first ones complaining about some right being taken away. Maybe very validly so but without the comprehension of how they themselves helped to contribute to it's demise. :roll:

Rhett, you are one greasy, sleazy bastard. You know damn well what you said and how the Constitution protects your rights to say so. Without them, the overly PC crowd would make what you said a crime, regardless of what you meant.

PSA: the hellenistic greeks had sex with little boys and kept slaves!! should we disregard their contributions to society?

Don't you have some investigative work to do on UFO's or the JFK conspiracy? :p

Originally posted by Jaguar:
Betty's mistake is quite common and easily forgivable when the person has an open mind to learning more about the subject. It's a simple mistake to make. I'm with Hoya on this one though Betty has it right about the other stuff. Everyone is always trying to blame someone other than the one who committed the crime.

Now Sonick and Rhett are total morons. It's their type of thinking that continually contributes to the constant erosion of our Constitutional rights. Ironically, as much as they both whine, they will be the very first ones complaining about some right being taken away. Maybe very validly so but without the comprehension of how they themselves helped to contribute to it's demise. :roll:

Rhett, you are one greasy, sleazy bastard. You know damn well what you said and how the Constitution protects your rights to say so. Without them, the overly PC crowd would make what you said a crime, regardless of what you meant.

and with that, i'm going to go give my wireless router to my neighbor and ask him not to give it back to me for a while :D

two exams in the next 48 hours absolutely blows.

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Don't you have some investigative work to do on UFO's or the JFK conspiracy? :p

You have nothing constructive to defend yourself so you pull out the old attack card.

Might I suggest that you go do some remedial Civics and US History lessons on our Constitution and the Bill of Rights?

SWAT teams are pretty useless in defending against most sudden violent acts; they are intended for imminent and stand-off situations. While a SWAT team could have been deployed between the dorm and Norris Hall shootings, there was no way that the Norris shootings could have been anticipated. If the dorm shootings had looked like more than a domestic dispute (e.g. more victims) then perhaps a lock-down would have been implemented and a SWAT team deployed.

Originally posted by le sonick:
just so everyone knows. "all men are created equal" was written by a slave owner.

and your country was started by a bunch of dudes who wanted to overthrow the government they were living under so they could be rich and powerful.

or is that not the way they teach it in american schools?

Before you criticize the US, take a look at your own miserable annals of oppression.

In 1787, two days before their work was done, the 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention â??adjourned to a tavern for some rest, and according to the bill they drank 54 bottles of Madeira, 60 bottles of claret, 8 of whiskey, 22 of port, 8 of hard cider and 7 bowls of punch so large that, it was said, ducks could swim around in them. Then they went back to work and finished founding the new Republic.â?

Note the 55 delegates and 54 bottles of Madeira. Which founder was slacking?

Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:

Originally posted by le sonick:
just so everyone knows. "all men are created equal" was written by a slave owner.

and your country was started by a bunch of dudes who wanted to overthrow the government they were living under so they could be rich and powerful.

or is that not the way they teach it in american schools?

THAT. JUST. BLEW. MY. MIND.

i love how people use this puerile crap as a rhetorical argument, assuming that no one has ever thought about the contradictions of our founding fathers, and using them to discredit whatever they're looking to attack

i'm not looking to attack anything. it was just something i thought about the other day and it seemed slightly relevant to this conversation, excuse the snot out of me!!!

Originally posted by Jaguar:

Now Sonick and Rhett are total morons. It's their type of thinking that continually contributes to the constant erosion of our Constitutional rights. Ironically, as much as they both whine, they will be the very first ones complaining about some right being taken away. Maybe very validly so but without the comprehension of how they themselves helped to contribute to it's demise. :roll:

thanks for stating your opinion of me. i'll hold off on stating mine of you. and how was i whining? just making an observation! and please try to note that i posted that at 4 in the morning!

was what i said not true? if so, please correct me as i didnt grow up in this country and if i have it all wrong, let me know!

and lastly, i moved to this country voluntarily and have made quite an effort to stay here. i never said that i hated the founding fathers…i just dont see why they are looked at as such great humans….i think of them more like great businessmen, and this country as a huge company!

Originally posted by Jaguar:
Please go back to Canada.

awww, have i made the jaguar angry??? :roll:

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Dr. Burke, president of the American Historical Reference Society and a consultant for the Smithsonian Institute, counted seven early presidents as cannabis smokers: George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, Zachary Taylor and Franklin Pierce. "Early letters from our founding fathers refer to the pleasures of hemp smoking," said Burke. Pierce, Taylor and Jackson, all military men, smoked it with their troops. Cannabis was twice as popular among American soldiers in the Mexican War as in Vietnam: Pierce wrote to his family that it was "about the only good thing" about that war.

Washington & Jefferson were said to exchange smoking blends as personal gifts. Washington reportedly preferred a pipe full of "the leaves of hemp" to alcohol, and wrote in his diaries that he enjoyed the fragrance of hemp flowers. Madison once remarked that hemp gave him insight to create a new and democratic nation. Monroe, creator of the Monroe Doctrine, began smoking it as Ambassador to France and continued to the age of 73.

I'm a "moron" AND "a greasy sleazy bastard", and I'M the one pulling the attack card? Hahahahaha you're funny!!!

Originally posted by Jaguar:

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Don't you have some investigative work to do on UFO's or the JFK conspiracy? :p

You have nothing constructive to defend yourself so you pull out the old attack card.

Might I suggest that you go do some remedial Civics and US History lessons on our Constitution and the Bill of Rights?

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
I'm a "moron" AND "a greasy sleazy bastard", and I'M the one pulling the attack card? Hahahahaha you're funny!!!

Originally posted by Jaguar:

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Don't you have some investigative work to do on UFO's or the JFK conspiracy? :p

You have nothing constructive to defend yourself so you pull out the old attack card.

Might I suggest that you go do some remedial Civics and US History lessons on our Constitution and the Bill of Rights?

jaguar is always right though. and i have found lately that as long as you can do two things:

a) articulate your posts in a fashion that no one can twist them around to mean something else

and

b) be able to twist other peoples posts around to make it mean something it obviously was not intended to mean

then you can be right all the time, too!