Anyone else left deaf from last night?

Originally posted by Skeeter:
That's what I've got. Love 'em.

Thanks for posting this. I need a pair other than the foam. My left ear feels like it has cotton in it today. Funny, my mom sent me an article a couple of weeks ago regarding this type of high fidelity earplugs. The article stated they are better than foam.

Originally posted by mark e smith:

Originally posted by Sugartastic Tee Silk:
. Stay away from alcohol, salt and caffeine. .

the horror…………………

Hell, just lock yourself up in the house and watch Lifetime… :D

Originally posted by Mongo:
Get a set of these, they aren't too expensive and shows still sound decent when you wear them.

http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er20.asp

That's what I got too, now I have to REMEMBER THEM. (the foamies will not do; I hate the way they feel and make the music sound…I always take 'em out after a couple songs).

Originally posted by Bagalicious Tangster:

Originally posted by Mongo:
Get a set of these, they aren't too expensive and shows still sound decent when you wear them.

http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er20.asp

That's what I got too, now I have to REMEMBER THEM. (the foamies will not do; I hate the way they feel and make the music sound…I always take 'em out after a couple songs).

Yeah, I always seem to forget them too unless I have the case attached to my keychain. They're definitely better than anything else out there (unless you want to have something custom made, F that).

Last night was pretty loud (Sahara Hotnights seemed louder to me, because of the shrill shrieking), and I'll agree that the last Motorhead show was up there too. Have seen Mogwai too, and I remember that one being pretty loud.

However, the only show I've ever seen where my ears hurt badly the next day (and thus far, I've never used ear plugs) was the last Soundtrack of Our Lives show. I thought my ears were going to start bleeding during the show, and they were ringing for days afterward. A Monster Magnet show at the old club was also really painful.

Originally posted by mark e smith:
Scientifically speaking, you cannot prove that. You might have been just fine.

I dont think the casual concert goer needs to protect themselves nearly as much as a concert professional. Are there people who have worked at the club who didnt use hearing protection and their hearing suffered as a result? And did they sue the club?

no lawsuits that i know of, and no scientific proof, but plenty of anecdotal evidence.

i started wearing plugs because i noticed that i was having trouble hearing certain sounds in certain situations, and that my ears started to hurt more and more when exposed to loud concerts. this was before i started working in the biz.

WHAT?!?!?!?!

Ok so this is the official result from going to see the doctor yesterday: I have lost hearing in in the upper ranges (high notes) in my left ear. Yes it was caused by being there through all three shows on Tuesday night. I'm not that frequent of a concert goer (and by this I mean the first live show I saw since an Amnesty concert in the 80's was the HSF this year). I don't listen to loud music. I don't work in a noisy environment. I don't have overly sensitive ears. I am relieved to report that the ringing has definitely faded - it's still there but much fainter and/or I have started getting used to it. It was driving me berserk yesterday morning. This is the link to the story on the guy who sued Smashing Pumpkins: http://homepages.kdsi.net/~sherman/hearingloss.htm

I heard from another person who attended and did not have earplugs and was in the back and left with her ears hurting and feeling heavy. According to these links she probably has damage: http://www.portlandtribune.com/archold.cgi?id=13192

http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/0939.html

People you're insane if you think this is something that only afflict older people or that it doesn't affect musicians as much as you think (just check out the founder of hearnet.com). According to the statistics (see second to last link) little kids are 400 times deafer than they used to be. The hearing aid industry will definitely be a solid growth industry to invest in.

And thanks for the link on the plugs! I think I may spring for custom made after this. I'm not going to stop seeing shows but I am damn well going to arm myself the best that I can.

you people cannot handle the power of the Swedish rock. You want the rock, but you CANT HANDLE THE ROCK!

Originally posted by cool_beanies:
Ok so this is the official result from going to see the doctor yesterday: I have lost hearing in in the upper ranges (high notes) in my left ear. Yes it was caused by being there through all three shows on Tuesday night.

2 points…..

So will your hearing recover?

You cannot prove it was due to the show, well not unless you had your hearing tested immediately before the show.

It took them a whole 2 years to come back to town. I enjoyed them so much i just hope they don't wait that long to come around again.

Originally posted by pepper*sans*salt:
It took them a whole 2 years to come back to town. I enjoyed them so much i just hope they don't wait that long to come around again.

I agree. They should do a second leg of this tour. That way, if another record label battle happens, the fans will still be happy. :)

wow cool_beanies, sorry to hear. hope your ears get better. I ordered my new plugs yesterday.

It takes 24 to 48 hours for your ears to recover from a "temporary threshold shift". So an exam done within 24 hours of the concert doesn't tell you a whole lot.

Originally posted by cool_beanies:
Ok so this is the official result from going to see the doctor yesterday: I have lost hearing in in the upper ranges (high notes) in my left ear.

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
It takes 24 to 48 hours for your ears to recover from a "temporary threshold shift". So an exam done within 24 hours of the concert doesn't tell you a whole lot.

Ding ding DING.

Shit! I hope those dings were not too loud, sorry!

Honestly I didnt really think it was that loud. I was upstairs along the railing straight out from the bass player. Like many of us I've subjected myself to so much loud music over the years between show and playing in bands for most of my life since I was 14 or 15.

Some of the loudest shows I ever saw were:
Flaming Lips @ fletchers 2 or 3 years ago
Metallica in Richmond on the "and justice for all" tour
Motorhead everytime I see them

Mark, you are such a compassionate individual. When you beat up preschoolers do you tell them that they'll never be able to prove you did it?

Originally posted by mark e smith:

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
It takes 24 to 48 hours for your ears to recover from a "temporary threshold shift". So an exam done within 24 hours of the concert doesn't tell you a whole lot.

Ding ding DING.

Shit! I hope those dings were not too loud, sorry!

Seriously you guys are pathetic, arguing semantics. Loud noises hurt your ears! End of story. Why are we even arguing any of this, so markie can feel better about not wearing ear-plugs? I don't really care what you do or don't do to protect your ears, I know for a fact my ears feel better after a show if I wear earplugs. Jeez, poor beans has ear damage and you're still arguing he (or she) has no proof it came from the concert. Do you always feel you have to be right, and get the last word?

It has nothing to do with "semantics" or making Markie feel better. It has to do with whether Beans should be concerned about permanent hearing loss. <24 hours is too soon to tell.

Noise exposure and intense sounds can cause two main types of hearing loss, namely temporary threshold shift and permanent threshold shift.

Temporary threshold shift is mostly experienced as a temporary dullness in your hearing after exposure to loud noises. Your hearing will subsequently recover - depending on how loud the noises have been and how long you have been exposed to them.

Permanent threshold shift is first experienced 48 hours after exposure to excessive noise. Permanent threshold shift can occur if you have been regularly exposed to excessive noise for long periods of time. It can also occur if you are exposed to very high sound levels for a short period of time. This type of hearing loss will normally continue to increase for up to five years after exposure to the noise.

Mark's been known to call construction workers "poncey nannies" for wearing ear plugs when they jackhammer the sidewalk.