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"abuses" of Iraqi POW's

markie
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Re: "abuses" of Iraqi POW's May 07, 2004 at 02:26 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Not fun, but I still feel very necessary and beneficial to the aircrew.
Nice post.

Preparing for a worst case scenario seems like a good idea. I got the impression that you were practicing on a real P.O.W. That would have been bad.

Thanks for the insight though.
ggw
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Re: "abuses" of Iraqi POW's May 07, 2004 at 02:28 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Bollocks:
I can't go into the full details, but we did treat them very badly without physically injuring them.

I could hear one sobbing like a baby while up against the wall waiting for his turn.
Wait – was this in the military, or at the car dealership??
Rhett Miller
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Re: "abuses" of Iraqi POW's May 07, 2004 at 02:30 PM UTC #
Worse, they have us Bob and Doug Mackennzie, and a crapload of bad music, which has been covered in previous threads.

But we're kicking their asses now on the exchange rates, and I'm going to Canada twice this year. Woohoo.


Originally posted by Macktastic Bag O' Flash:
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Originally posted by Macktastic Bag O' Flash:
maybe we will fight [..] Canada one day, but it's not happening now…
We already beat them once! Read a history book.
So there's the example – did they torture and abuse U.S. pows? You tell us, board historian…how did our 'standards' of warfare compare?
mankie
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Re: "abuses" of Iraqi POW's May 07, 2004 at 02:34 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
It sounds very much like what that Andy McNab fellow described going through as a part of his S.A.S. training…in the book
Immediate Action. [/QB]
The SAS are Brits, mankie is a Brit….coincidence?
Fico
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Re: "abuses" of Iraqi POW's May 07, 2004 at 02:35 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
. Hangin' burnt from a bridge just doesn't do it for me.


It does not do it for me either, and it shouldn't "do it" for anyone who respects human life. But don't forget one of the triggers of this reaction by the Iraqi's, the deathtoll of more than 15k CIVILIANS according to estimates…

and that's the crying shame, that people talk about war as if it were a strictly military A against military B engagement… had we been sharing borders in Iraq and 15k civilian americans had been killed, do you really think a similar response would've been an impossible thing?? they've dragged people on pick-ups for being gay and burned people for being black… I wouldn't be surprised if that reaction would've happened here if we were in their shoes… we went to them, to occupy, they didn't come to us, and as it has been proven they didn't force it upon them… how laughable that former "Sadaam generals" may now be once again heading the Iraqi army imposed by us..the "liberators"..
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Re: "abuses" of Iraqi POW's May 07, 2004 at 02:36 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Sacktastic Bag O' Nuts:
Worse, they have us Bob and Doug Mackennzie, and a crapload of bad music, which has been covered in previous threads.

But we're kicking their asses now on the exchange rates, and I'm going to Canada twice this year. Woohoo.
Are you, by chance, going to see the wildest part of the North American Continent, the beautiful Thelon preserve?
Celeste
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Re: "abuses" of Iraqi POW's May 07, 2004 at 02:37 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Macktastic Bag O' Flash:
Alas, usually the countries we're FIGHTING are not of the more civilized ilk.
hmmm…that sounds pretty arrogant…the fundamentalist muslims might think we westerners are pretty "uncivilized" what with all our free sexuality, women going to school, drinking and the like…
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Re: "abuses" of Iraqi POW's May 07, 2004 at 02:37 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Bollocks:
The SAS are Brits, mankie is a Brit….coincidence?
It's standard pilot/Sp.Forces training worldwide, as you said above.
mankie
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Re: "abuses" of Iraqi POW's May 07, 2004 at 02:38 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Sacktastic Bag O' Nuts:
[QB]
But we're kicking their asses now on the exchange rates, and I'm going to Canada twice this year. Woohoo.




But Britain is kicking doodlevilles arse on the exchange rate…unfortunately I'm going over there…yet again, it sucks to be me! :mad:
Rhett Miller
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Re: "abuses" of Iraqi POW's May 07, 2004 at 02:39 PM UTC #
That sounds intriguing, but no, I'll only be visiting the cities of Toronto and Montreal. (Montreal next weekend).

Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
Originally posted by Sacktastic Bag O' Nuts:
Worse, they have us Bob and Doug Mackennzie, and a crapload of bad music, which has been covered in previous threads.

But we're kicking their asses now on the exchange rates, and I'm going to Canada twice this year. Woohoo.
Are you, by chance, going to see the wildest part of the North American Continent, the beautiful Thelon preserve?
mankie
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Re: "abuses" of Iraqi POW's May 07, 2004 at 02:41 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Ball Girl:
Originally posted by Macktastic Bag O' Flash:
Alas, usually the countries we're FIGHTING are not of the more civilized ilk.
hmmm…that sounds pretty arrogant…the fundamentalist muslims might think we westerners are pretty "uncivilized" what with all our free sexuality, women going to school, drinking and the like…
How civilized are the inner-cities with the bloods, crips, MS13 and all that stuff. Look at SE DC, with those highschool kids killing each other.

I'd say American is pretty uncivilized at the moment with all the murders, rapes, school shootings etc.
Celeste
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Re: "abuses" of Iraqi POW's May 07, 2004 at 02:47 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by Ball Girl:
Originally posted by Macktastic Bag O' Flash:
Alas, usually the countries we're FIGHTING are not of the more civilized ilk.
hmmm…that sounds pretty arrogant…the fundamentalist muslims might think we westerners are pretty "uncivilized" what with all our free sexuality, women going to school, drinking and the like…
How civilized are the inner-cities with the bloods, crips, MS13 and all that stuff. Look at SE DC, with those highschool kids killing each other.

I'd say American is pretty uncivilized at the moment with all the murders, rapes, school shootings etc.
well, my point was pretty much that "civilization" is relative
Rhett Miller
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Re: "abuses" of Iraqi POW's May 07, 2004 at 02:51 PM UTC #
Sucks for you.

Hopefully the exchange rates will improve for Americans when we plan to go somewhere in Europe in 2005. If not, will just have to scale back on the visit.


Originally posted by Bollocks:
Originally posted by Sacktastic Bag O' Nuts:
[QB]
But we're kicking their asses now on the exchange rates, and I'm going to Canada twice this year. Woohoo.




But Britain is kicking doodlevilles arse on the exchange rate…unfortunately I'm going over there…yet again, it sucks to be me! :mad:
Celeste
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Re: "abuses" of Iraqi POW's May 07, 2004 at 02:55 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Sacktastic Bag O' Nuts:
If not, will just have to scale back on the visit.

NEVER!!!! :p
bags
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Re: "abuses" of Iraqi POW's May 07, 2004 at 02:57 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Ball Girl:
Originally posted by Macktastic Bag O' Flash:
Alas, usually the countries we're FIGHTING are not of the more civilized ilk.
hmmm…that sounds pretty arrogant…the fundamentalist muslims might think we westerners are pretty "uncivilized" what with all our free sexuality, women going to school, drinking and the like…
You're right – I didn't mean the entire countries, I meant the war and fighting style of our opposition, and that may not necessarily be the official militiary. I was referring to the torture and abuse directed at Americans that we should be better than….you know, all that stuff folks here keep mentioning.

Ditto to Mank's reference to SE DC – the discussion was on warfare and how wars are fought, what's appropriate or not and what standard we might hold our military to. The brush I was painting with was not intended to cover any country entirely – the US or others. Hell, we treat each other like SHIT.
godsshoeshine
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Re: "abuses" of Iraqi POW's May 07, 2004 at 03:30 PM UTC #
say we are caring too much about the prison "abuses". should we just ignore them? not read the papers?
mankie
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Re: "abuses" of Iraqi POW's May 07, 2004 at 03:41 PM UTC #
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
say we are caring too much about the prison "abuses". should we just ignore them? not read the papers?
If John Asscrotch had his way…absolutely.
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Re: "abuses" of Iraqi POW's May 07, 2004 at 03:48 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Ball Girl:
hmmm…that sounds pretty arrogant…the fundamentalist muslims might think we westerners are pretty "uncivilized" what with all our free sexuality, women going to school, drinking and the like… [/QB]
If I remember right, one of the first things that happened after we kicked the Taliban's ass's in Afghanistan was females started going to school….Are they not a Muslim country?
Celeste
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Re: "abuses" of Iraqi POW's May 07, 2004 at 03:57 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Originally posted by Ball Girl:
hmmm…that sounds pretty arrogant…the fundamentalist muslims might think we westerners are pretty "uncivilized" what with all our free sexuality, women going to school, drinking and the like…
If I remember right, one of the first things that happened after we kicked the Taliban's ass's in Afghanistan was females started going to school….Are they not a Muslim country? [/QB]
exactly…WE kicked their ass, the girls got to go to school…
mankie
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Re: "abuses" of Iraqi POW's May 07, 2004 at 04:04 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Ball Girl:
Originally posted by Rob_Gee_a.k.a _Guiny:
Originally posted by Ball Girl:
hmmm…that sounds pretty arrogant…the fundamentalist muslims might think we westerners are pretty "uncivilized" what with all our free sexuality, women going to school, drinking and the like…
If I remember right, one of the first things that happened after we kicked the Taliban's ass's in Afghanistan was females started going to school….Are they not a Muslim country?
exactly…WE kicked their ass, the girls got to go to school… [/QB]
I'm sure I read that girls are again not allowed to go to school in Afghanistan…Mind you, don't feel bad, the Ruskies couldn't kick their arses either.
;)
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