Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Guiny:yeah, OJ got off because the police effed the investigation. but that happens every day, you just only hear about it when its on the news. Most of the time, its the police that fuck up getting criminals convicted.
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He'll get off because he's innocent of the charges.
You mean just like O.J. ?
Kobe has his "Street Cred"
I don't think the cops effed up enough to get O.J. off, the evidence was overwhelming against him…I can't figure out what the jurors were thinking (being pc here for a change)
My point was simply that Bryant will get off the criminal case regardles of what happened in that hotel room, not because he's innocent, which he may be, but that's unfortunately irrelevant.
The alleged victim said today she doesn't want any money, just Kolbe Bryant to go to jail, but we'll have to wait and see how that pans out won't we.?
My point was simply that Bryant will get off the criminal case regardles of what happened in that hotel room, not because he's innocent, which he may be, but that's unfortunately irrelevant.
The alleged victim said today she doesn't want any money, just Kolbe Bryant to go to jail, but we'll have to wait and see how that pans out won't we.?
Originally posted by mankie:Actually Mank, two weeks in a sexual assault case usually means that they have a lot of holes in the victims story because it's much faster/easier to charge if you have indisputable evidence.
Just because it's an athlete who has a squeaky reputation, he could still have done it, and the fact they took two weeks to press charges means they've done their homework on the case so there must be something, and a sexual assault case is harder for the victim to prove than any other crime.
And those holes would be todays front page sports news. I wouldn't want to get into a character contest with Kobe Bryant if I were either (1) a drug user or (2) suicidal.
Report: Kobe's accuser recently overdosed
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ESPN.com news services
The Colorado woman who has accused Kobe Bryant of sexual assault overdosed on pills and was rushed to a hospital two months before the alleged incident with Bryant, one of her close friends told the Orange County Register.
Based on the 19-year-old woman's accusation, Bryant was officially charged with a single count of felony sexual assault Friday. If convicted, he faces four years to life in prison or 20 years to life on probation, and a fine of up to $750,000. Bryant is scheduled to return to Eagle, Colo., for a preliminary hearing on Aug. 6.
Bryant, 24, said Friday that he was guilty only of committing adultery.
In cases of this nature, the credibility of the accuser – whose identity is not being revealed – often becomes an issue. The accuser's friends have been keeping her overdose a secret – until now, the Register reported.
"I think it was just a cry for help," 18-year-old Lindsey McKinney told the newspaper. McKinney had been living at the accuser's house in May, when the woman allegedly took the pills.
When she learned from the woman's ex-boyfriend that the woman had "overdosed," McKinney rushed to her home and found the woman incoherent, lethargic and seemingly drunk, according to the Register.
"I was scared. She wasn't really talking at all," McKinney told the newspaper. "I was like, 'you need to open your eyes.' "
Some friends of the accuser said they believed the overdose was an accident. Not McKinney.
"I don't think it was accidental. I was there," she told the Register.
Bryant's attorneys could not be reached for comment Saturday by the Register.
Tyson Ivie, a former classmate of the accuser's, told the newspaper that the overdose was "a big secret" that friends have been unwilling to talk about until now.
The police dispatch call from the night of the alleged assault is currently sealed from the public by investigators. The woman's father declined comment for the Register's story.
According to the newspaper's report, Bryant's accuser was going through an extremely difficult period in her life at the time of the overdose. She returned home from her freshman year of college to find out her ex-boyfriend had taken up with another woman. Also, around the time of the overdose, close friend Nicole Clements died in a road accident while returning from high school graduation ceremonies.
"It was kind of boom, boom, boom," McKinney told the Register. "I think the things that happened to her in the past had a lot to do with what [she said happened the night of the alleged assault]."
"I know she had been going through a lot, but I know that she wouldn't lie," 19-year-old Eagle resident Ashley Scriver told the newspaper. Scriver also knew about the the overdose.
The Register quoted legal experts as saying the news of the overdose will be a major advantage for Bryant's defense team.
"This is powerful evidence and the answer to the defense's prayers," Robert Pugsley, a criminal law professor at Southwestern University School of Law in Los Angeles, said. Pugsley added that this kind of evidence, if exploited by the defense, could be enough to shut down the case before it reaches trial.
"[Defense attorneys are] looking for a way to demonstrate that this woman is hysterical and over-reactive," Pugsley said. "This is literally dynamite evidence, a bonanza for the defense and a landmine for prosecution."
Originally posted by mankie:
EXACTLY! If it were you or I we'd be doing 20 to life.If it were you, you wouldnt have gotten any.
If it were I or most other people on the board, we wouldn't have a big frikin' target on our backs and there would be no charges.
Are any of you basing your assumption of Kobe's innocence on any evidence? Or, merely assuming that women are lying gold-digging bitches and hos?
oh come on!!!! havent we all had a boyfriend/girlfriend leave us for another and our friend die in a car wreck and then take a whole bottle of pills and almost die and then sleep with a married celebrity?
sounds like a normal week for me.
sounds like a normal week for me.
Originally posted by ggw:Damn ho went to his room, she was asking for it! ;)
Are any of you basing your assumption of Kobe's innocence on any evidence? Or, merely assuming that women are lying gold-digging bitches and hos?
Not quite sure what J'mal is babbling on about, but "okay, yeah, right J'mal!" :roll:
Originally posted by ggw:Kobe has been in the public eye for many years and yes, we do get to know something about him after all these years. His personality comes through. How often does he even foul out of a game??? And what we know about him is totally inconsistent with these allegations. That, plus the fact the woman came to his room late at night and that she's emotionally unstable, smells like bullshit.
Are any of you basing your assumption of Kobe's innocence on any evidence? Or, merely assuming that women are lying gold-digging bitches and hos?
Originally posted by J'Mal:
O.J. was a stand up guy too, but he did only murder the one time…well twice actually but they were at the same time so we'll call it once and let him off.
Kobe has been in the public eye for many years and yes, we do get to know something about him after all these years. His personality comes through. How often does he even foul out of a game??? And what we know about him is totally inconsistent with these allegations. That, plus the fact the woman came to his room late at night and that she's emotionally unstable, smells like bullshit.
Evidently he ordered room service and asked for that young girl to be the one to bring it up to him….hmmmmmm, that's strange!
And where do you get that nonsense about the room service request?
So because OJ made a big frikin mess in killing two people, we need to discredit Kobe on the mere say so of some random anonymous skank with mental issues.
If it were some obscure british footballer being accused of a meter violation you'd be all over it.
So because OJ made a big frikin mess in killing two people, we need to discredit Kobe on the mere say so of some random anonymous skank with mental issues.
If it were some obscure british footballer being accused of a meter violation you'd be all over it.
Originally posted by J'Mal:Well that answers my question.
….the mere say so of some random anonymous skank with mental issues….
I thought one is presumed innocent until proven guilty? Why does one need evidence to prove innocence. I will believe he's innocent until evidence that proves otherwise is presented.
Originally posted by ggw:
Are any of you basing your assumption of Kobe's innocence on any evidence? Or, merely assuming that women are lying gold-digging bitches and hos?
Actually, OJ wasn't a stand-up guy. He had a history of spousal abuse.
But you know, those negro athletes are all the same.
But you know, those negro athletes are all the same.
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by J'Mal:
O.J. was a stand up guy too, but he did only murder the one time…well twice actually but they were at the same time so we'll call it once and let him off.
Kobe has been in the public eye for many years and yes, we do get to know something about him after all these years. His personality comes through. How often does he even foul out of a game??? And what we know about him is totally inconsistent with these allegations. That, plus the fact the woman came to his room late at night and that she's emotionally unstable, smells like bullshit.
Evidently he ordered room service and asked for that young girl to be the one to bring it up to him….hmmmmmm, that's strange!
Originally posted by ggw:GGW, do you realise we are on the same side of an issue!!!!!!!!! :eek: make note in your journals everyone.
Originally posted by J'Mal:Well that answers my question.
….the mere say so of some random anonymous skank with mental issues….
Oh, J'mal…I think I figured out what you were referring to about the mankie not getting any…..you do realise that spanking the monkey while watching Baywatch reruns isn't sex don't you?
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
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I thought one is presumed innocent until proven guilty? Why does one need evidence to prove innocence. I will believe he's innocent until evidence that proves otherwise is presented.
So if you are presuming Bryant innocent you must be assuming the girl is guilty of filing false charges, so you are jumping to judgement.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:Or he can do what Mark Chmura did and just hire a good attorney and not take the stand.
I thought one is presumed innocent until proven guilty? Why does one need evidence to prove innocence. I will believe he's innocent until evidence that proves otherwise is presented.
Originally posted by ggw:
Are any of you basing your assumption of Kobe's innocence on any evidence? Or, merely assuming that women are lying gold-digging bitches and hos?
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:I'm assuming the two guys who mugged you weren't proven guilty?
I thought one is presumed innocent until proven guilty? Why does one need evidence to prove innocence. I will believe he's innocent until evidence that proves otherwise is presented.
Originally posted by ggw:
Are any of you basing your assumption of Kobe's innocence on any evidence? Or, merely assuming that women are lying gold-digging bitches and hos?
So, can I safely say that you had it coming to you?
Why should we believe that you were even mugged to begin with? You are a sexual deviant after all. And you've dated deaf transsexuals. You probably weren't mugged, you probably paid those two guys for rough gay sex.
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Yes, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty, but since when does that presumption of innocence include the presumption that the accuser is guilty of being a gold-digger, crazed star-fucker or skanky ho?
History shows us that young women who are emotionally upset and used about having a shitty one night stand will sometimes accuse their partner of rape.
I think a fucked up 19 year old has a lot less to lose than someone like Kobe. Kobe could probably have a million women in this country based on mutual consent, why would he throw his life away on one who said "no"?
Of course he's guilt. All negroes are the same. Savages who can't control themselves.
I think a fucked up 19 year old has a lot less to lose than someone like Kobe. Kobe could probably have a million women in this country based on mutual consent, why would he throw his life away on one who said "no"?
Of course he's guilt. All negroes are the same. Savages who can't control themselves.
Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
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I thought one is presumed innocent until proven guilty? Why does one need evidence to prove innocence. I will believe he's innocent until evidence that proves otherwise is presented.
So if you are presuming Bryant innocent you must be assuming the girl is guilty of filing false charges, so you are jumping to judgement.
One of these people is necessarily lying.
So who do I think it is – a very public person whom I have followed very closely for years, and in the process developed a strong belief that this behavior is out of character for him?
Or some star search reject from south park with a history of recent mental problems?
I'll admit I'm a long-term hard core kobe fan. But that also gives me a basis to judge his character. It would be irrational and stupid to throw out years and years of my observation of his character. That wouldn't be "neutral" or "fair," it would be deliberate blindness.
The limited information I have about his accuser indicates she's crazy. So, it makes perfect logical sense that crazy accusations against kobe come from a crazy person.
So who do I think it is – a very public person whom I have followed very closely for years, and in the process developed a strong belief that this behavior is out of character for him?
Or some star search reject from south park with a history of recent mental problems?
I'll admit I'm a long-term hard core kobe fan. But that also gives me a basis to judge his character. It would be irrational and stupid to throw out years and years of my observation of his character. That wouldn't be "neutral" or "fair," it would be deliberate blindness.
The limited information I have about his accuser indicates she's crazy. So, it makes perfect logical sense that crazy accusations against kobe come from a crazy person.
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
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Of course he's guilt. All negroes are the same. Savages who can't control themselves.
and all 19 year old girls that work in a hotel are nasty slappers out to ruin the career of a negro athlete then sue them for millions.
I don't think anyone has said they thought he was guilty, we're just saying he could be, but he'll get off regardless because of who he is.