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How the West was lost

Rhett Miller
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How the West was lost October 05, 2004 at 09:29 PM UTC #
yesssssssssssssssssssssssssss!
vansmack
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Re: How the West was lost October 05, 2004 at 10:38 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
yesssssssssssssssssssssssssss!
Did the Orioles finally stop paying Albert Bell or something?
keithstg
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Re: How the West was lost October 06, 2004 at 12:50 PM UTC #
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
yesssssssssssssssssssssssssss!
Did the Orioles finally stop paying Albert Bell or something?
Ha ha ha! I think that they did that last year. They are still paying Sidney Ponson to sit around and eat ho-ho's, so don't you worry…
Rhett Miller
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Re: How the West was lost October 06, 2004 at 01:08 PM UTC #
Sidney Ponson= 8-3 after the all-star break.

Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
yesssssssssssssssssssssssssss!
Did the Orioles finally stop paying Albert Bell or something?
Ha ha ha! I think that they did that last year. They are still paying Sidney Ponson to sit around and eat ho-ho's, so don't you worry…
keithstg
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Re: How the West was lost October 06, 2004 at 03:17 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Sidney Ponson= 8-3 after the all-star break.

Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
yesssssssssssssssssssssssssss!
Did the Orioles finally stop paying Albert Bell or something?
Ha ha ha! I think that they did that last year. They are still paying Sidney Ponson to sit around and eat ho-ho's, so don't you worry…
Oooh, goody! Almost makes you forget that 11-15 record and the 5.30 era and 1.55 whip. That, and the 40 extra pounds does not a number one starter make.

Believe me, I would like to see the Orioles make some good moves (and they made one in signing Tejada). But they don't, and Angelos doesn't respect his fans.
Rhett Miller
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Re: How the West was lost October 06, 2004 at 03:18 PM UTC #
I didn't realize Angelos had any fans.

Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Sidney Ponson= 8-3 after the all-star break.

Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
yesssssssssssssssssssssssssss!
Did the Orioles finally stop paying Albert Bell or something?
Ha ha ha! I think that they did that last year. They are still paying Sidney Ponson to sit around and eat ho-ho's, so don't you worry…
Oooh, goody! Almost makes you forget that 11-15 record and the 5.30 era and 1.55 whip. That, and the 40 extra pounds does not a number one starter make.

Believe me, I would like to see the Orioles make some good moves (and they made one in signing Tejada). But they don't, and Angelos doesn't respect his fans.
keithstg
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Re: How the West was lost October 06, 2004 at 03:21 PM UTC #
Orioles fans, I meant.
Guiny
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Re: How the West was lost October 06, 2004 at 03:27 PM UTC #
Originally posted by keithstg:
That, and the 40 extra pounds does not a number one starter make. [/QB]
Bartolo Colon is the exception to that rule.
sonickteam2
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Re: How the West was lost October 06, 2004 at 03:37 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by keithstg:
That, and the 40 extra pounds does not a number one starter make.
Bartolo Colon is the exception to that rule. [/QB]
or David Wells?
Rhett Miller
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Re: How the West was lost October 06, 2004 at 03:37 PM UTC #
But his ERA was nearly the same as Ponson's. Colon got much better run support.

Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by keithstg:
That, and the 40 extra pounds does not a number one starter make.
Bartolo Colon is the exception to that rule. [/QB]
Guiny
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Re: How the West was lost October 06, 2004 at 04:09 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
But his ERA was nearly the same as Ponson's. Colon got much better run support.
[/QB]

Colon actually pitched alot of good games, his ERA was inflated by a bunch of bad outings at the beginning of the year when his back hurt but wouldnt admit it at the time. I'm sure the extra poundage added to the ailing back.
Rhett Miller
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Re: How the West was lost October 06, 2004 at 04:13 PM UTC #
well yeah, you could say the same thing about Ponson

Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
But his ERA was nearly the same as Ponson's. Colon got much better run support.
Colon actually pitched alot of good games, his ERA was inflated by a bunch of bad outings at the beginning of the year when his back hurt but wouldnt admit it at the time. I'm sure the extra poundage added to the ailing back. [/QB]
keithstg
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Re: How the West was lost October 06, 2004 at 04:19 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
well yeah, you could say the same thing about Ponson

Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
But his ERA was nearly the same as Ponson's. Colon got much better run support.
Colon actually pitched alot of good games, his ERA was inflated by a bunch of bad outings at the beginning of the year when his back hurt but wouldnt admit it at the time. I'm sure the extra poundage added to the ailing back.
[/QB]

Maybe, but starting 3-12 (Ponson) is more than a few bad starts. Not that I think Colon is an ace either, mind you.
Rhett Miller
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Re: How the West was lost October 06, 2004 at 04:26 PM UTC #
Ben Sheets was 3-9 after the all-star break, with a 2.70 ERA.

Yes, Ponson was bad, but he wouldn't have been 3-12 on the Yankees.

Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
well yeah, you could say the same thing about Ponson

Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
But his ERA was nearly the same as Ponson's. Colon got much better run support.
Colon actually pitched alot of good games, his ERA was inflated by a bunch of bad outings at the beginning of the year when his back hurt but wouldnt admit it at the time. I'm sure the extra poundage added to the ailing back.
Maybe, but starting 3-12 (Ponson) is more than a few bad starts. Not that I think Colon is an ace either, mind you. [/QB]
Rhett Miller
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Re: How the West was lost October 06, 2004 at 04:29 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
Ben Sheets was 3-9 after the all-star break, with a 2.70 ERA.

Yes, Ponson was bad, but he wouldn't have been 3-12 on the Yankees.

At the all-star break, Ponson's ERA was 6.11. Colon's was 6.38.

Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
well yeah, you could say the same thing about Ponson

Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
But his ERA was nearly the same as Ponson's. Colon got much better run support.
Colon actually pitched alot of good games, his ERA was inflated by a bunch of bad outings at the beginning of the year when his back hurt but wouldnt admit it at the time. I'm sure the extra poundage added to the ailing back.
Maybe, but starting 3-12 (Ponson) is more than a few bad starts. Not that I think Colon is an ace either, mind you.
[/QB]
Rhett Miller
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Re: How the West was lost October 06, 2004 at 04:38 PM UTC #
Would have had a losing record if he played for Arizona.

Originally posted by keithstg:
Originally posted by sonickteam2:
did you say "ace"?

<img src="http://sports.trb.com/images/baseball/mlb/allsport/boston/schilling_curt2.jpg" alt=" - " />
He's one of the few examples, yes.
keithstg
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Re: How the West was lost October 06, 2004 at 04:39 PM UTC #
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[QB]
Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
[qb] Ben Sheets was 3-9 after the all-star break, with a 2.70 ERA.

Yes, Ponson was bad, but he wouldn't have been 3-12 on the Yankees.

At the all-star break, Ponson's ERA was 6.11. Colon's was 6.38.


What does Ben Sheets have to do with anything?

Ponson wasn't on the Yankees, so it's useless to speculate. However, giving up 6 runs every 9 innings isn't likely to win many games regardless of who you play for.

All of Colon's statistics this season are better than Poson's, ERA, WHIP, K/9, opposing BA, the whole 9 yards…he even weighs less.
Rhett Miller
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Re: How the West was lost October 06, 2004 at 04:42 PM UTC #
I'm saying stating a win/loss record is pretty useless. Case in point, Ben Sheets
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