ggw
Joined: December 16, 2001 at 06:01 AM UTC
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Re: Not Newsworthy
May 24, 2007 at 03:57 PM UTC
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The disparity in coverage between the Knoxville and Duke lacrosse stories can be easily explained without pointing to overt racism – black 'bamas killing white people is not a rare occurrence. White college kids raping a black woman would be a very rare event. I believe it was Dupek who posted the DOJ stats showing that, in the last year for which data was available, the rate of white-on-black rape was statistically zero.
As for the â??liberal mediaâ? argument â?? if you donâ??t believe that (speaking in the broadest sense) â??the mediaâ? is â??liberal,â? than youâ??re blind. Itâ??s kind of like saying Americans love SUVs. Certainly you can find plenty of examples of Americans who donâ??t love SUVs and can find many adamantly opposed to SUVs. However, speaking generally, it is true that Americans love SUVs.
Itâ??s the same with the media. One can find plenty of non-liberal and anti-liberal media, but speaking broadly, the media is liberal. The former Public Editor (ombudsman) of the New York Times addressed this issue a few years ago. He pointed out that 80% of his staff was liberal, as it is a profession that attracts far more from the left than from the right. He noted that his paper is headquartered in a city where anything goes. He also analyzed the Timesâ?? news content on the gay marriage issue. He found that while the news stories were all legitimate individually, as a group, they showed the paper to have an undeniable pro-gay marriage bias. The Times, he noted, didnâ??t publish a single article that examined any difficulties or addressed any potential negative aspects of gay marriage. That didnâ??t surprise him, because he believed his staff and his city were overwhelmingly in favor of gay marriage and it is nigh impossible to overcome oneâ??s own values, even when striving for impartiality.
Guiny
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Re: Not Newsworthy
May 24, 2007 at 04:06 PM UTC
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Has Sharpton appologized to the Duke Lacrosse players yet for falsely accusing them through the media?
manimtired
Joined: June 05, 2003 at 05:01 AM UTC
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Re: Not Newsworthy
May 24, 2007 at 04:17 PM UTC
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kosmo,
i think they should have a moderator council on you to be honest. STFU to you, good sir.
beetsnotbeats
Joined: May 18, 2005 at 05:01 AM UTC
Posts: 1181
Re: Not Newsworthy
May 24, 2007 at 04:56 PM UTC
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Originally posted by manimtired:
kosmo,
i think they should have a moderator council on you to be honest. STFU to you, good sir.
Your remaining time here will be very difficult. No, kosmo won't kick you out but you will feel very unwelcome and eventually slide away on your trail of slime. Watch out for the salt.
manimtired
Joined: June 05, 2003 at 05:01 AM UTC
Posts: 1432
Re: Not Newsworthy
May 24, 2007 at 05:15 PM UTC
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Will I be cyber-bullied?
sweetcell
Joined: July 18, 2006 at 05:01 AM UTC
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Re: Not Newsworthy
May 24, 2007 at 05:21 PM UTC
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Originally posted by manimtired:
kosmo,
i think they should have a moderator council on you to be honest. STFU to you, good sir.
i suppose the fact that kosmo IS a moderator is lost upon you?
Originally posted by manimtired:
Will I be cyber-bullied?
nah, more like cyber-wedgied.
sweetcell
Joined: July 18, 2006 at 05:01 AM UTC
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Re: Not Newsworthy
May 24, 2007 at 05:28 PM UTC
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
As for the â??liberal mediaâ? argument â?? if you donâ??t believe that (speaking in the broadest sense) â??the mediaâ? is â??liberal,â? than youâ??re blind.
if you can't see that the media is totally slanted to the right, you must not be paying attention. there, now we're even. and the truth is somewhere in between.
taking the NYT as an example of all US media? why don't we look at USA Today* instead and use that to label the entire industry? had a look at
most popular radio talk shows recently?
it's a right-wing conspiracy, i'm telling you - no, not the media, but the right-wingers' claims of victimhood. repeat "liberal media" often enough and people will start believing it.
* footnote: NYT's weekday daily circulation: 1,086,798. USA Today's: 2,278,022.
manimtired
Joined: June 05, 2003 at 05:01 AM UTC
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Re: Not Newsworthy
May 24, 2007 at 05:34 PM UTC
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no i wasnt sweetcell. i just find it funny the moderator is proposing having a council due to the fact he disagrees with someone.
HoyaSaxa03
Joined: March 22, 2004 at 06:01 AM UTC
Posts: 7053
Re: Not Newsworthy
May 24, 2007 at 05:35 PM UTC
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Originally posted by manimtired:
kosmo,
i think they should have a moderator council on you to be honest. STFU to you, good sir.
hi, dupek!
godsshoeshine
Joined: September 18, 2003 at 05:01 AM UTC
Posts: 4826
Re: Not Newsworthy
May 24, 2007 at 05:59 PM UTC
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Climate Momentum Shifting: Prominent Scientists Reverse Belief in Man-made Global Warming - Now Skeptics
ggw
Joined: December 16, 2001 at 06:01 AM UTC
Posts: 14237
Re: Not Newsworthy
May 24, 2007 at 06:03 PM UTC
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My point is not that the NY Times speaks for everyone; it's that I think that Okrent makes some very valid points on why journalism naturally leans toward liberal (based in urban centers; traditionally liberal profession). Personally, I don't have any problem with that, and I certainly don't consider myself "victimized" by it in any way.
As far as circulation statistics, those are strawmen. People don't read something looking to change their mind; they migrate toward that which reinforces the views they already hold.
Originally posted by sweetcell:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
As for the â??liberal mediaâ? argument â?? if you donâ??t believe that (speaking in the broadest sense) â??the mediaâ? is â??liberal,â? than youâ??re blind.
if you can't see that the media is totally slanted to the right, you must not be paying attention. there, now we're even. and the truth is somewhere in between.
taking the NYT as an example of all US media? why don't we look at USA Today* instead and use that to label the entire industry? had a look at most popular radio talk shows recently?
it's a right-wing conspiracy, i'm telling you - no, not the media, but the right-wingers' claims of victimhood. repeat "liberal media" often enough and people will start believing it.
* footnote: NYT's weekday daily circulation: 1,086,798. USA Today's: 2,278,022.
vansmack
Joined: October 04, 2001 at 05:01 AM UTC
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Re: Not Newsworthy
May 24, 2007 at 06:06 PM UTC
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Originally posted by manimtired:
no i wasnt sweetcell. i just find it funny the moderator is proposing having a council due to the fact he disagrees with someone.
Why don't you come back when you're not as tired?
This isn't about him disagreeing at all. It's about a patterned history since Dupek lost his job that is becoming problematic (to put it lightly) for the hosts and members of this board.
manimtired
Joined: June 05, 2003 at 05:01 AM UTC
Posts: 1432
Re: Not Newsworthy
May 24, 2007 at 06:15 PM UTC
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I guess not being a liberal is seen as being problematic on this board.
godsshoeshine
Joined: September 18, 2003 at 05:01 AM UTC
Posts: 4826
Re: Not Newsworthy
May 24, 2007 at 06:17 PM UTC
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
As far as circulation statistics, those are strawmen.
someone using a strawman argument to refute one of the most overused strawman arguments? :eek:
lwoxley
Joined: October 06, 2004 at 05:01 AM UTC
Posts: 4792
Re: Not Newsworthy
May 24, 2007 at 06:20 PM UTC
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vansmack
Joined: October 04, 2001 at 05:01 AM UTC
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Re: Not Newsworthy
May 24, 2007 at 06:33 PM UTC
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Originally posted by manimtired:
I guess not being a liberal is seen as being problematic on this board.
No, problematic would be running a bulletin board to attract business to your club, but constanlty having to police said message board due to inappropriate posts full of explicit and profoundly racist material.
Again, come back when you're less tired. This is not a political issue, it's a business issue.
manimtired
Joined: June 05, 2003 at 05:01 AM UTC
Posts: 1432
Re: Not Newsworthy
May 24, 2007 at 06:35 PM UTC
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i havent seen the racist material. please provide a link and maybe ill see what youre crying about..yawn.
brennser
Joined: October 21, 2002 at 05:01 AM UTC
Posts: 3760
Re: Not Newsworthy
May 24, 2007 at 06:42 PM UTC
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ggw is one of the longest-tenured posters on the board - based on his comments over the years I don't think its a stretch to say he's probably not a liberal…..and I can't think of anyone who has a 'problem' with him
not being a liberal isn't the problem, being a pain in the ass is…..
Originally posted by manimtired:
I guess not being a liberal is seen as being problematic on this board.
kosmo
Joined: September 23, 1999 at 05:01 AM UTC
Posts: 16329
Re: Not Newsworthy
May 24, 2007 at 06:42 PM UTC
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just put it this way warnings have been issued and i don't think twice about deleting stuff anymore…
the inconvenient truth game is no longer funny, if you don't like the fact that there are injustices, bias, etc in the world then do something about it! Write your congressmen, media, lather rinse repeat. continually airing them on this board is going to accomplish anything….
the constant blame game and i'm not a racist but the rest of the board is tired, either try to fit in or find some other place to pollute.
vansmack
Joined: October 04, 2001 at 05:01 AM UTC
Posts: 19725
Re: Not Newsworthy
May 24, 2007 at 06:49 PM UTC
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Originally posted by manimtired:
i havent seen the racist material. please provide a link
I didn't post in this thread to prove any case against Dupek, I posted to defend your attack on Kosmo, and I will keep it as such. Much like my stance on Dupek, I won't be baited into garbage.
At this point I'm regretting asking where Dupek had been when he disappeared for a while, because I used to be fan. Now I've just grown tired of his constant off-topic baiting into discussions of whatever topic he is using to cure his boredom sans employment. I know I'm not alone.