Utah Rave Bust - Excessive Force?

http://www.drugpolicy.org/news/82205utrave.cfm

Watch the video and read the accounts of those that were there. This seems pretty awful to me, and people should know about it.

SWAT and National Guard to shut down a concert? Regardless of whether or not they had a permit/insurance policy/drug issues, this is rather absurd.

i like how RAVE is capitalized every time

Yeah. Well, I also looked for this on more legitimate news sites (run a Google News search for "Utah Rave"). Police claim that they didn't have an appropriate permit. But really, watch the video. Its rather sickening.

couldn't get the link on the video to work….

try this one:

http://fatbaron.com/videos.html

i imagine that a lot of sites are getting overloaded.

those worked thanks.

I've seen worse.

Weird to see guys in commando outfits to do police work. Just doesn't seem right.

Originally posted by Sir HC:
Weird to see guys in commando outfits to do police work. Just doesn't seem right.

agreed.

Originally posted by Sir HC:
Weird to see guys in commando outfits to do police work. Just doesn't seem right.

National Guard most likely…

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National guard forces are notoriously bad at civilian crowd control. They're the ones who shot a bunch of kids at Kent State back in the 70s, after all. Calling them in for a rave is pretty stupid.

On the other hand… what do you expect in UTAH?

More to the point, with most states National Guard troops overtaxed having to go to Iraq and Afghanistan, using them for something like this is a waste. State emergencies (Floods, tornados, and fires) are a good use, but as cops no way.

Originally posted by Sir HC:
State emergencies (Floods, tornados, and fires) are a good use,

It was a RAVE, man, a RAVE! How much bigger of an emergency is there? No matter how motherfucking a flood is, you don't see it labeled FLOOD.

So what exactly was wrong with that video? Looked like they did everything by the book to me. I didn't see any baton swinging or excessive force.

Originally posted by Rob_Gee:
So what exactly was wrong with that video? Looked like they did everything by the book to me. I didn't see any baton swinging or excessive force.

i didnt see the video but anytime a police officer kicks someone while they are on the ground, thats excessive force.

of course, Rob Gee is the militant guntoting republican on the board!

Actually, I didn't see anyone get kicked, but the images were pretty dark so maybe I missed it. Otherwise, everything looked fine.

how about the principle of using the national guard for this purpose?

i mean, could you imagine the national guard raiding the 9:30 Club or Nation?

Originally posted by callat703:
how about the principle of using the national guard for this purpose?

i mean, could you imagine the national guard raiding the 9:30 Club or Nation?

which one raided nation a few years ago? d.c. police? in short, yes, i can see them raiding nation, but not 930, since it's a law-abiding establishment that wants to stay in business.

I was at Nation the night the cops came in and shut the place down (the big one, i think they did it more than once)

they were very calm and orderly, no one freaked out and people just kinda left. we were more confused than anything.

either way, rave parties have this thing with them…anyone that used to go is mad as hell whenever one gets busted or something. Everyone who never went, doesnt get it and seems to think somehow the club or party promoters or attendees have dont this to themselves.

always has been this way, always will.

I've never been to a rave. But I have been to plenty of rock festivals, and really, there isn't all that much difference. The same drugs, the same alcohol, and the same behavior for the most part. So I really don't have a hard time understanding the event.