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Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
ok, y'all school me…give me some inspirational lyrics my Mr. Curtis and/or Mr Reed. Everything I've heard by Reed is depressing shit about drugs, trannies, and hookers. Not exactly stuff I want to sit around an pollute my mind with. But maybe I'm missing some more interesting stuff? Mr. Curtis…you can't hear what the fuck he is singing anyway.

Once again you're right.Alot of their material dealt with depression/isolation/loneliness/despair.Definitely not the most enjoyable subjects,however,they are feelings that are felt by millions of people every day.Be glad you are not among them.Those subjects were all to real to the composer, Ian obviously.As for inspirational,try reading Busload of Faith lyrics on the new york record you have.Maybe not truly inspirational but very astute. http://www.whom.co.uk/dora/reedyork.htm

Originally posted by mankie:
Okay, so even if Jeff Tweady had a good voice he would come under the good voice singing utter shite umbrella

what in god's name are you talking about?

I'm skipping over a bunch of posts, so I hope I'm not repeating a point already made, but I think the argument over Ian Curtis' voice is just not necessary. Point is, Rhett doesn't like his voice, and that's plenty of reason to not like a band. I feel the same way about a number of highly praised bands. And that's that. Rhett didn't do it (I don't think), but my mistake in the past has been declaring that the band is shit, rather than I don't like 'em at all. I try to adjust, especially when I realize it really is about the vocals in particular.

But, I do think that they can be an influential band, all the same. How influential was Joy Division? I dunno…I'll leave that up to folks who follow that genre more closely.

Originally posted by Celeste:

Originally posted by mankie:
Okay, so even if Jeff Tweady had a good voice he would come under the good voice singing utter shite umbrella

what in god's name are you talking about?

This..

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
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I don't see how anybody who isn't fucked up on drugs could sit and listen to the monotone voices of Lou Reed and Ian Curtis and hear "passion" in their voices. Give me a fucking break.

…I listened to the penis brothers..not exactly the three tenors now. Wilco…fucking awful voice.

Give me a weak voice singing a great song over a great voice singing a shit song any day.


By the way…What IS Gods name?

http://www.davemcnally.com/lyrics/JoyDivision/ Isolation
Be clear every day, every evening
It calls here aloud from above
Carefully watched for a reason
Mistaking devotion and love
Surrendered to self-preservation
>From others who care for themselves
But life as it touches perfection
Appears just like anything else

Isolation (3)
Mother, I tried, please believe me
I'm doing the best that I can
I'm ashamed of the things
I've been put through
I'm ashamed of the person I am

Isolation (3)
But if you could just see the beauty
These things I could never describe
Pleasures and wayward distraction
Is this my wonderful prize?
Isolation (5)

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
ok, y'all school me…give me some inspirational lyrics my Mr. Curtis and/or Mr Reed. Everything I've heard by Reed is depressing shit about drugs, trannies, and hookers. Not exactly stuff I want to sit around an pollute my mind with. But maybe I'm missing some more interesting stuff? Mr. Curtis…you can't hear what the fuck he is singing anyway.

No question from my point of view that better musicianship + better vocal chops = better listening, all other things being equal. But all other things frequently aren't equal, which complicates the whole business.

Lou Reed, whose voice considered apart from everything else about his artistry sucks beyond dispute, isn't your best example, though. First thing is, he's pretty cagy about writing songs that fit his meager ability to croak them out. Second, while the passion in his music may seem muted by his vocal limitations, he can muster ferocity, cold irony, and heartbreak like few others. Third, his lyrical range goes way beyond "drugs, trannies, and hookers." Just off the top of my head, try "Rock and Roll," the greatest self-referential ode to the genre of all time (Jonathan Richman's "Roadrunner" being a fabulous but distant second). Or "Dirty Boulevard," which transforms those gritty, depressing urban decay themes through the imagination of a child.

For anyone who cares, a fairly complete catalog of his lyrics can be found here:Lou Reed Lyrics

Oh yeah, and I forgot the hilarious (and non-PC in the extreme) "I Wanna Be Black."

Originally posted by Liberte:
Oh yeah, and I forgot the hilarious (and non-PC in the extreme) "I Wanna Be Black."

But you gotta acquiesce, those Jacko charges torpedoed your Polanski argument.
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:

Originally posted by Liberte:
Oh yeah, and I forgot the hilarious (and non-PC in the extreme) "I Wanna Be Black."

But you gotta acquiesce, those Jacko charges torpedoed your Polanski argument.

Nah, not really. What certain obtuse parties seemed incapable of recognizing was, I do not defend Polanski's behavior. I simply object to the notion that those parties' response to that behavior is the only possible right-thinking response.

Originally posted by Liberte:

Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:

Originally posted by Liberte:
Oh yeah, and I forgot the hilarious (and non-PC in the extreme) "I Wanna Be Black."

But you gotta acquiesce, those Jacko charges torpedoed your Polanski argument.

Nah, not really. What certain obtuse parties seemed incapable of recognizing was, I do not defend Polanski's behavior. I simply object to the notion that those parties' response to that behavior is the only possible right-thinking response.

Obtuse?!? I'm actually on the slim side.

Originally posted by mankie:

Originally posted by markie:

Originally posted by mankie:

I would put Oasis waaaaaay above Radiohead on any list…and I wouldn't put them in the top 50.

Thats harsh……

Perhaps Mank, that Radiohead is to some generations what joy division was to yours. Imagine how much better radiohead would be regarded if Tom Yorkie had died after their third album?

My God at that point they could have become the greatest band ever, there was so much potential. Its a shame he didnt die. Much as its a shame poor old Ian did, but he might have sullied his good record too, if he had not.

So what "movement" are Radiohead responsible for?

The bowel movement.

What's all the chatter about Joy Division?
The Happy Mondays are the only Manc band that matters. Oasis are a pseudo-thug Beatles coverband in comparison.
Nobody could dance and deal like Bez!!!

Shaun's lyrics are the best…

Son, Iâ??m 30
I only went with your mother â??cause sheâ??s dirty
And I donâ??t have a decent bone in me
What you get is just what you see yeah
I should so I take it free yeah
And all the bad preserves be things that feed me
I never help or give to the needy
Come on and see me

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
ok, y'all school me…give me some inspirational lyrics my Mr. Curtis and/or Mr Reed. Everything I've heard by Reed is depressing shit about drugs, trannies, and hookers. Not exactly stuff I want to sit around an pollute my mind with. But maybe I'm missing some more interesting stuff? Mr. Curtis…you can't hear what the fuck he is singing anyway.

you sound like Tipper Gore.

Originally posted by Jaguär:
The bowel movement.

I dont know that in order to be one of the best bands ever, you have to be responsible for "starting a movement"

Certainly some of the great ones have, but some havent either. And perhaps Radiohead DID start one, thats just not really clear right now, because its so new. Either way, they certainly play the best music i have heard from a band in "my time".
Think about it this way….Is the best athlete the one whos won the most championships? or the one who has the best stats? or was the best team player? I suppose you can argue it forever, but its just comes down to what you consider to be criteria for the best.

Oh, and for the record, when people call records "important" it just makes me laugh, how fucking stupid.

and Radiohead's DSOTM hasnt been written yet, but i think it is yet to come.

She would have made an excellent first lady.

Originally posted by sonickteam2:

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
ok, y'all school me…give me some inspirational lyrics my Mr. Curtis and/or Mr Reed. Everything I've heard by Reed is depressing shit about drugs, trannies, and hookers. Not exactly stuff I want to sit around an pollute my mind with. But maybe I'm missing some more interesting stuff? Mr. Curtis…you can't hear what the fuck he is singing anyway.

you sound like Tipper Gore.

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:

and i would've pegged you as a republican. :)

Originally posted by sonickteam2:

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
ok, y'all school me…give me some inspirational lyrics my Mr. Curtis and/or Mr Reed. Everything I've heard by Reed is depressing shit about drugs, trannies, and hookers. Not exactly stuff I want to sit around an pollute my mind with. But maybe I'm missing some more interesting stuff? Mr. Curtis…you can't hear what the fuck he is singing anyway.

you sound like Tipper Gore.

no, the big difference is that she wanted to censor it for everyone, he's just saying it sounds like shit, not necessarily trying to keep you from listening to it

She wanted to slap a parental warning sticker on it, which I think is a good idea. I don't think she ever said she wanted to ban anything outright.

Originally posted by Celeste:

Originally posted by sonickteam2:

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
ok, y'all school me…give me some inspirational lyrics my Mr. Curtis and/or Mr Reed. Everything I've heard by Reed is depressing shit about drugs, trannies, and hookers. Not exactly stuff I want to sit around an pollute my mind with. But maybe I'm missing some more interesting stuff? Mr. Curtis…you can't hear what the fuck he is singing anyway.

you sound like Tipper Gore.

no, the big difference is that she wanted to censor it for everyone, he's just saying it sounds like shit, not necessarily trying to keep you from listening to it

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
Obtuse?!? I'm actually on the slim side.

Oh, don't start that slimmer-than-thou business again.

posted by Jaguar

The bowel movement.

Tsk, tsk, Jaguar…. And I thought you were cool. :(