World Cup Footie Seedings

It's time to revive this thread. I watch the commercials over and over again - especially the FIFA commercial with U2 and Bono.

My tickets arrive tomorrow. I'm flying into Frankfurt for the England match on June 10. It's all I can think about really.
What do the England fans think about Sven's choices for the squad?
With Rooney being an injury concern, the inclusion of Walcott is shocking, to put it mildly. I guess Sven thinks Rooney will be alright.

I think Hargreaves was the right choice.
Originally posted by You go, Judge Alito:
What do the England fans think about Sven's choices for the squad?
There's always World Cup 2010!!!
Hopefully England will prove to be strong enough in the middle and at the back to compensate for the lack of depth up front.

I also think Hargreaves is an okay choice. It's too bad Sven didn't use the same logic elsewhere.
I actually think Crouch will have a huge WC. Few teams will have experience defending anyone with his freakish size.

Ignoring Bent is a horrible decision.
Okay….

Englands strike force

Owen - Recovering from foot injury. Does anybody remember Beckham in Japan/S. Korea?

Rooney - On crutches with 5 weeks to go.

Crouch - Crap! They use him for his height, Which is great if he's playing for Celtic….Boston Celtic that is. Let's see if Manut Bol has an English granny while we're at it huh?

Walcott - Who the fuck is he? (I know who he is, I'm being sarcastic) He might be the next big thing, but Sven hasn't even seen the kid play and he's put him in the squad. He hasn't even played a game for his club yet for crying out loud. (The reason Wenger hasn't started him is very simple…he's ENGLISH)

Out of those four I'd probably go with Rooney on crutches in my starting line up, just behind Owen in his walking cast.

Why in God's name is Kieran Richardson not in the squad? That kid is incredible and HAS played for his club team. (Man of the match at the weekend actually)

I can't help but think Sven is taking the piss seeing as he's out on his arse after the tournament. They should've hoofed him before the competition and given the job to McClaren a couple of months ago. He's already assistant so it would be very little disruption.

I predict one thing that will not be said from the commentators at England games.

"Gerrard is certainly playing with the same heart and enthusiasm as he does for his beloved Liverpool"

Right, back to Keano's testimonial…see ya!
This is an interesting article.

http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=reu-worldspain_world_cup_feature&prov=reuters&type=lgns

Spain still struggling to find national identity

By Simon Baskett

MADRID, May 4 (Reuters) - Spain is a country obsessed with soccer known as "el deporte rey" or the king of sports.

Four of the best-selling daily papers are dedicated almost exclusively to the sport, it dominates the television schedules and provides the leading topic of conversation in every bar from Bilbao to Barcelona.

Yet despite the almost insatiable appetite for the game, the Spain side has never been able to inspire the sort of excitement, emotion and loyalty that national teams enjoy in other countries.

In England, Brazil and Argentina life comes to a virtual standstill during the World Cup, in Spain it continues pretty much as normal.

A game involving "la seleccion" generates only a fraction of the interest of the twice yearly "clasico" between Real Madrid and Barcelona.

So why are the Spanish unmoved by their national team?

Part of the explanation is to be found in the powerful regional divisions within the country.

Many of its inhabitants see themselves as Basque or Catalan or even Galician rather than Spanish and practically every region has its own representative team that plays at least one international friendly a year.

When Catalunya play, the Nou Camp is filled to the brim in an emotive display of nationalist sentiment and it is the same when the Basque select are on display at San Mames.

But the Spanish national team has not dared play at the Barcelona stadium since 1987 and last visited the Basque country 20 years before that. It would simply be too much like playing an away match.

POLITICAL BAGGAGE

It is hard to imagine another country where a debate could occur about whether or not a footballer might want to play for the national team because of his political views, but that is the case with Barca defender Oleguer, a self-professed Catalan nationalist.

The Spanish flag carries so much political baggage with it that Chelsea's Basque defender Asier del Horno was reported to be concerned about being photographed next to it when he won his first call-up for the national side.

It is perhaps a blessing in disguise that the present Spanish national anthem has no words as singing it would be fraught with danger for some players.

"Because there is no consensus over the nature of the Spanish state, there is no consensus over the national team," says El Pais sports correspondent Diego Torres.

"Spanish players are not as proud as other national team players when they pull on the national shirt and that pride is a fundamental ingredient in the success of any national side."

Regional divisions are inextricably linked to the unchallenged supremacy of club over country in Spain with both Barca and Real drawing far more interest than the national team,

"In all countries there are strong clubs, but here the clubs also represent powerful political interests and that is the key," says Torres.

"Barca, for example, is more than a club, it represents Catalan identity. This sometimes prevents players from integrating fully into the national side.

"In other countries players belong to clubs, but not to a region or a way of life as many do here. It is very difficult to confront this matter, however, as it is a taboo in Spain."

MEDIA OBSESSION

The media obsession with the big two sides means that whenever the national team gives a news conference questions are about club matters rather than the international clash.

There is uproar whenever a Spain game takes place in the same week as the two teams meet as it disrupts preparations for "el clasico".

The announcement of the Spain squad rarely makes the front pages of the sports press and even during the World Cup, speculation about future signings will often take precedence over the national team's fortunes.

But regional divisions alone do not explain everything. Failure on the international stage is the other key ingredient that has prevented the national team from inspiring real enthusiasm from amongst the country's football fans.

Victory in the 1964 European Championship and a runners-up spot in the same tournament 20 years later are the country's only two significant achievements, while they have not got past the quarter-finals of the World Cup since 1950.

A string of disappointments have eroded loyalty to the national side.

Fans and commentators talk of a quarter-final jinx and have even tried to find comfort in conspiracy theories in a bid to explain why one of the traditional powerhouses of European football has failed to make its mark at an international tournament.

Triumph at the World Cup would almost certainly break the shackles that have restricted the national side for so long.

"Success could be the catalyst for change," says Torres. "If Spain achieves something important it will infect the people and help create an identity for the national team. It will also affect the clubs as say it did in France or Italy.

"Spain and Italy are similar in many ways, but in Italy the success of the national team has made it a unifying factor, in Spain its failure has helped maintain the divisions."

Updated on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 9:00 pm EDT
Originally posted by Barcelona:
This is an interesting article.
very interesting, lends more credence to the football as global politics angle that so many like to talk about … although i'm always a bit wary of "impartial" journalism that looks like the conclusion of the article was already in mind before researching/writing the piece, comes off more like an editorial
I think the exact same situation would happen in the UK if there was a "Britain" rather than England, Scotland…Wales…N. Ireland.

I for one could not support a team that had some stinking jock playing for it.

On the other hand, if there was a "Britain" at least the lesser countries might qualify for a tournament once in a while!
Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
I for one could not support a team that had some stinking jock playing for it.
You wouldn't trade your identity for Giggsy to be your left wing in 1998, 2002 and 2006?

I highly doubt that.
Originally posted by Barcelona:
Spain still struggling to find national identity…
…and the Semi-final round.
Originally posted by vansmack:
I watch the commercials over and over again - especially the FIFA commercial with U2 and Bono.
The One Goal Commercials are on the web. Well 3 of 4 of them anyway.

http://soccernet.com/onegame/

Click enter. Move the links at the bottom to see the different spots.

The first one is fairly popular during sporting event on ESPN and ABC.

The second one is touching, about the Ivory Coast calling a truce to their civil war until after the world cup.

The third one, Scotland as described by Adam Clayton), Mankie will truly appreciate.

The fourth one is not up yet.

And by the way â?? 28 days, 7 hours.
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:
I for one could not support a team that had some stinking jock playing for it.
You wouldn't trade your identity for Giggsy to be your left wing in 1998, 2002 and 2006?

I highly doubt that.
Giggsy is Welsh, not a stinking jock!
Anyone around here know who won the FA Cup yesterday? Just another trophy for the Reds. How are things in Manchester?
Liverpool won on penalties
Originally posted by stu47:
Liverpool won on penalties
Ah Liverpool….that has a nice ring to it.
Gerrard tied it up in stoppage time.

It made Sportscenter's Top 10. It must've been a slow day stateside with the soccer highlights making the show.
Originally posted by Mr Dodgy Slapper:
How are things in Manchester?
You tell me:

1 Chelsea 91
2 Man Utd 83
3 Liverpool 82
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by Mr Dodgy Slapper:
How are things in Manchester?
You tell me:

1 Chelsea 91
2 Man Utd 83
3 Liverpool 82
Yeah, if it weren't for that Scouser playing for Man B, they would have been behind Everton (the pride of Merseyside) in the Primiership.