Pogues tickets...

good, they deserve this recognition.

whatever. scalpers provide a service that the public yearns for, just like anything else you spend your money on.

i saw a pogues-like band at iota. seems as if you have some connection or make reference to something irish, however remote, and you sing like shit then you can play music like the pogues. tiresome. they're no eazy-e with such profoundly deep lyrics about pussies who hit women. :roll:

Originally posted by chokeychicken:
whatever. scalpers provide a service that the public yearns for

"The public" yearns for having tickets taken away from them at the regular price, and resold to them at many times higher the face value? I don't think so.

A few losers make the choice to willingly get ripped off. That doesn't mean they "yearn" for it. I'm sure they'd pay face value if they could.

My plan was to buy two extra tickets and sell them for $150, thus cutting in half the cost of my own two tickets. I imagined that two tickets for $150 would be well worth it for some fan, particularly given how many rich people there are floating around this town. Obviously, there are many people willing to pay $75 for a concert ticket, whereas $25 is about my upper limit.

Originally posted by Bags:

Originally posted by Etan de Balzac, Footie Ball Player:
I don't see where it's bad karma to sell your concert tickets, if the money you will receive is good enough.

I think the karma comes in that you said in the other thread that you were specifically buying two additional tickets in order to scalp at a high price. It's more directed than buying tickets to use then deciding to sell because the price has become so attractive. That's the work of a professional scalper. Not that there's any way to tell the difference from the outside, but as music fans, some of us think it's reflects a shitty heart. And we're allowed to think that just as you're allowed to scalp those tickets.

Hmmmmm…interesting thought process, but fascinating. I guess I'm the sort of person that would rather take extra tickets (if I have them or come upon them) and sell them for face value and then give a chance to people who cannot afford to pay exorbitant prices to see a band. And I can't help but think it's funny that someone who would criticize me for going to see the Shins both nights in a row and "not giving others a chance to see them" (I'm paraphrashing) would have no issues with excluding people of a more moderate means from seeing the Pogues based on the weight of their wallet. It says to me that ultimately the music isn't really what brings you here, but hey, do what you want. I am fascinated by what people think is acceptable.

Originally posted by ThatNewAsshole:
i saw a pogues-like band at iota.

Are you talking about the band that opened for the Fleshtones? I kinda enjoyed a couple songs, but then found them tiresome too…

Originally posted by chokeychicken:
whatever. scalpers provide a service that the public yearns for, just like anything else you spend your money on.

Not really. They circumvent the system, with sometimes illegal means, and prevent people from having a fair chance at getting tickets.

What do they do?

- hire people to go online and buy tickets to increase the chances that they, the scalpers, will get tickets, and get a good supply of tickets.

- buy multiple memberships to a band's fan club so they have more chances at advance pre-sales.

- hire people to stand in line at a box office in order to buy more tickets

Scalping is illegal in many states. Sure, you can argue supply/demand, but by circumventing the system, they sometimes create a false demand by purchasing a ton of tickets at the regular price, and then jacking up the price for re-sale.

Originally posted by Arlette:
Not really. They circumvent the system, with sometimes illegal means, and prevent people from having a fair chance at getting tickets.

What do they do?

- hire people to go online and buy tickets to increase the chances that they, the scalpers, will get tickets, and get a good supply of tickets.

- buy multiple memberships to a band's fan club so they have more chances at advance pre-sales.

- hire people to stand in line at a box office in order to buy more tickets

Scalping is illegal in many states. Sure, you can argue supply/demand, but by circumventing the system, they sometimes create a false demand by purchasing a ton of tickets at the regular price, and then jacking up the price for re-sale.

I hate scalpers as much as anybody, but your examples don't demonstrate circumventing the system. They demonstrate how to make the system work for you. Standing in line, buying multiple fan club memberships, or getting a bunch of your friends to go online when tickets go on sale are all options available to everybody. There's nothing really underhanded about them.

The Fighting Irish- Second Pogues Show Added!
The first night of The Pogues reunion show sold out in mere minutes, so expect nothing short of the same for the second night (you've been warned). This year St. Paddy's Day comes early.

THE POGUES
featuring Shane MacGowan â?¢ Jem Finer â?¢ Spider Stacy â?¢ James Fearnley â?¢ Darryl Hunt â?¢ Andrew Ranken â?¢ Philip Chevron â?¢ Terry Woods
Thursday, March 9
10pm Doors
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Originally posted by MTB-Markie:

Originally posted by Etan de Balzac, Footie Ball Player:
anything I own is for sale if the price is right.

How much for your wife? I'll give you a couple of camels and a goat

I'm sorry… I missed the part where wives are property to be owned.

And camels are smelly, anyway. ;)

Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:

Originally posted by Arlette:
Not really. They circumvent the system, with sometimes illegal means, and prevent people from having a fair chance at getting tickets.

What do they do?

- hire people to go online and buy tickets to increase the chances that they, the scalpers, will get tickets, and get a good supply of tickets.

- buy multiple memberships to a band's fan club so they have more chances at advance pre-sales.

- hire people to stand in line at a box office in order to buy more tickets

Scalping is illegal in many states. Sure, you can argue supply/demand, but by circumventing the system, they sometimes create a false demand by purchasing a ton of tickets at the regular price, and then jacking up the price for re-sale.

I hate scalpers as much as anybody, but your examples don't demonstrate circumventing the system. They demonstrate how to make the system work for you. Standing in line, buying multiple fan club memberships, or getting a bunch of your friends to go online when tickets go on sale are all options available to everybody. There's nothing really underhanded about them.

But they are breaking the rules, and in some cases the law. That is underhanded.

From the NIN fan club. Pretty long, but first sentence says it all.

Ticket brokers may not join the Nine Inch Nails fan club, and if a member is found selling tickets for profit, his/her membership will be voided without return of the membership fee. All ticket orders must be placed in the name of the corresponding fan club member. If we discover that an order has been placed in another personâ??s name, we reserve the right to revoke the membership and cancel the ticket order. If you are found to be, or we in good faith believe you are reselling, trading or brokering tickets for profit that you purchased through this site, we may at our sole discretion cancel all or part of your ticket order and all or part of other pending orders in your name and/or put all or part of your orders and all or part of your other pending orders in your name at will-call for pick-up only by you. If we cancel your tickets, a refund of the total face value of the tickets minus a $7 per ticket processing fee will be issued to the card used to place the order. No other service, processing or shipping fees charged at the time of purchase will be refunded. If tickets are placed at will-call, only the person whose name is on the order can pick them up. No will-call name changes will be allowed. We reserve the right to investigate, cancel or â??will callâ? all orders we, in good faith, suspect to be in violation of this policy. We are the final authority on the interpretation of the rules in this policy. As part of our efforts to keep brokers out, we will specify guidelines for ticket purchasing on the web site, and we will email members ahead of time as to any changes to these policies.

Originally posted by Arlette:

Ticket brokers may not join the Nine Inch Nails fan club, and if a member is found selling tickets for profit, his/her membership will be voided without return of the membership fee.

I appreciate the point, but it's tainted by a band that charges its fans to join their fan club. I know, I know, Pearl Jam does it. Still an odd concept to me.

Bags:

ThatNewAsshole:
i saw a pogues-like band at iota.

Are you talking about the band that opened for the Fleshtones? I kinda enjoyed a couple songs, but then found them tiresome too…

yes i think so bags. wonder if i saw u there. me, tall lean dark-blond guy probably in dieter-schprockets-'now is the time when donce'-glasses. :cool:

Originally posted by Bags:

Originally posted by Arlette:

Ticket brokers may not join the Nine Inch Nails fan club, and if a member is found selling tickets for profit, his/her membership will be voided without return of the membership fee.

I appreciate the point, but it's tainted by a band that charges its fans to join their fan club. I know, I know, Pearl Jam does it. Still an odd concept to me.

Not only do they charge, but they also "spam" members with sales info. about merch. Velvet Revolver is doing the same, with recent spam about their Holiday Calendar…WTF? Between off-shore pharmacies pitching Viagra/Cialis (yea, baby, just what I need) and fansites/labels sending junk, my email box is looking sort of like my snail-mail box…and handled the same way - toss it all!

Originally posted by BadSushi:
toss it all!

You tosser, you.

Originally posted by Bags:

Originally posted by Arlette:

Ticket brokers may not join the Nine Inch Nails fan club, and if a member is found selling tickets for profit, his/her membership will be voided without return of the membership fee.

I appreciate the point, but it's tainted by a band that charges its fans to join their fan club. I know, I know, Pearl Jam does it. Still an odd concept to me.

Bands have been charging fans to join fan clubs for years, especially if there is any kind of newsletter etc involved as they need money to cover the costs of sendingit out. It's nothing new for Pearl Jam, R.E.M. does. It's only been recently that the option to buy tickets has become a benefit of joining a fanclub…

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Does anyone have the addy for the Gary Glitter fan club?

Receiving unsolicited e-mails about perscription drugs is a much different entity than receiving e-mails about merchandise for sale by a band whose fan club you signed up for (willingly, I'm assuming) and who you gave an e-mail address to.

But then again, I guess that's what you risk when you sign up for Velvet Revolver's fan club…

Originally posted by BadSushi:
Not only do they charge, but they also "spam" members with sales info. about merch. Velvet Revolver is doing the same, with recent spam about their Holiday Calendar…WTF? Between off-shore pharmacies pitching Viagra/Cialis (yea, baby, just what I need) and fansites/labels sending junk, my email box is looking sort of like my snail-mail box…and handled the same way - toss it all!

I'm a member of a couple of band's fan clubs just so I can get an early shot at tickets. I pay $25 or $30, join for a year, then get in on the fan club only pre-sales. I don't mind spending the extra $25 per year; sheesh, I blow more than that on drinks in one night.

Plus, some of the fan clubs actually give you cool stuff, like exclusive releases.