Whatever do you mean?
I am only allowed into films if there are talking animals.
I am only allowed into films if there are talking animals.
Photos from when Punk Mattered
Originally posted by Etan de Balzac, Footie Ball Player:Well, not speaking for everyone, but the Dead and their influence definitely matter to me. Not as a fan of the Dead, but as a fan of music. They pioneered live taping, mail order tickets (really, the first fan club), constant touring to make money rather than record royalties, Jerry's influence as a guitarist, lighting as part of the show, etc., etc. Even the first time a hand was stamped to show someone entered the venue after turnign in their ticket happened at a Dead show.
You could also argue that the Grateful Dead were a huge influence on musicians and artists and consequently on mainstream rock. But I don't presume that it matters to everyone on this board.
Maybe it's semantics surrounding the word "matters". Any band and/or genre that was pioneering and influential matters to me. I may not listen to it, but it matters.
All good points.
Bottom line is that to some people punk matters quite a bit. To others, maybe a bit. To even others, not at all.
Blah blah blah. This topic has become boring. Well maybe not the punk topic itself, but the punk matters discussion. Can we all agree on that?
Bottom line is that to some people punk matters quite a bit. To others, maybe a bit. To even others, not at all.
Blah blah blah. This topic has become boring. Well maybe not the punk topic itself, but the punk matters discussion. Can we all agree on that?
Originally posted by Arlette:
Originally posted by Etan de Balzac, Footie Ball Player:Well, not speaking for everyone, but the Dead and their influence definitely matter to me. Not as a fan of the Dead, but as a fan of music. They pioneered live taping, mail order tickets (really, the first fan club), constant touring to make money rather than record royalties, Jerry's influence as a guitarist, lighting as part of the show, etc., etc. Even the first time a hand was stamped to show someone entered the venue after turnign in their ticket happened at a Dead show.
You could also argue that the Grateful Dead were a huge influence on musicians and artists and consequently on mainstream rock. But I don't presume that it matters to everyone on this board.
Maybe it's semantics surrounding the word "matters". Any band and/or genre that was pioneering and influential matters to me. I may not listen to it, but it matters.
Originally posted by Etan de Balzac, Footie Ball Player:Duh. That's only what everyone's been saying for the last day and a half. Finally sinking in, is it?
All good points.
Bottom line is that to some people punk matters quite a bit. To others, maybe a bit. To even others, not at all.
I can agree that you've become boring. You seem to have an opinion on everything. We could have a thread on Latvian folk music and you would post on it and have something to say, but it would something negative or you would go out of your way to disagree with people just to be antagonizing.
No need for personal attacks there, big guy.
And I disagree with what you say. Based on the narrow tastes expressed on the top 10 concert lists (talk about boring!), I sincerely doubt the people on this board could have a serious discussion about Latvian folk music. If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to loudly applaud such a discussion.
And I disagree with what you say. Based on the narrow tastes expressed on the top 10 concert lists (talk about boring!), I sincerely doubt the people on this board could have a serious discussion about Latvian folk music. If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to loudly applaud such a discussion.
Originally posted by bearman:
I can agree that you've become boring. You seem to have an opinion on everything. We could have a thread on Latvian folk music and you would post on it and have something to say, but it would something negative or you would go out of your way to disagree with people just to be antagonizing.
It's not a personal attack. It's an observation. I'm not calling names or being insulting. I'm just saying what I see, and it's just an opinion. I don't think that what I say will hurt your feelings anyway, why should you care? I certainly don't care that you think my tastes are boring, but then again, it sounds like you've already made up your mind about all of your tastes and it's not like I would be able to convince you otherwise. So I would never waste my time to try. If you don't like punk music, why spend all this time participating in a discussion about it? I just don't get it.
When did I ever say that I did not like punk music? I actually do like a number of punk bands. Dead Kennedys, Sex Pistols, Ramones, Social Distortion, Black Flag, the Clash, the Jam (punk to some people), the Pogues (punk to others), Flogging Molly, and a number of other "punk" bands are all a part of my music collection.
My simple premise was that the period of punk that Kosmo initially referred to (1976-1985?) did not "matter" to a large number of Americans. Personally, I don't understand how that observation was worthy of the name calling that it elicited.
And how often do you make the observation that other people are boring? Why single out me? Why not just go through every thread and tell people how boring they are? Surely you could have a field day.
My simple premise was that the period of punk that Kosmo initially referred to (1976-1985?) did not "matter" to a large number of Americans. Personally, I don't understand how that observation was worthy of the name calling that it elicited.
And how often do you make the observation that other people are boring? Why single out me? Why not just go through every thread and tell people how boring they are? Surely you could have a field day.
Originally posted by bearman:
It's not a personal attack. It's an observation. I'm not calling names or being insulting. I'm just saying what I see, and it's just an opinion. I don't think that what I say will hurt your feelings anyway, why should you care? I certainly don't care that you think my tastes are boring, but then again, it sounds like you've already made up your mind about all of your tastes and it's not like I would be able to convince you otherwise. So I would never waste my time to try. If you don't like punk music, why spend all this time participating in a discussion about it? I just don't get it.
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Originally posted by Etan de Balzac, Footie Ball Player:Nobody said in this thread that punk mattered "to a large number of Americans." The thread title mentions that "punk mattered." Since this is a board, and a club, where alternative music, which has been heavily influenced by punk, play important roles, presumably it's simple enough to conclude that punk did matter. It mattered in the evolution of the club itself, which presumably most people on the board care about to some degree or other. You're trying to make an issue out of nothing.
My simple premise was that the period of punk that Kosmo initially referred to (1976-1985?) did not "matter" to a large number of Americans. Personally, I don't understand how that observation was worthy of the name calling that it elicited.
Rhett, what the hell are you talking about? You call people names and use personal attacks quite a bit. Get down off that high horse you are sitting on, you have not earned that perch.
I don't think personal attacks and name-calling are necessary. But you can't call someone else out for it when you do it all the time.
I don't think personal attacks and name-calling are necessary. But you can't call someone else out for it when you do it all the time.
Thanks for articulating that Arlette. I didn't have time to post anything in length, but you said it well.
"My simple premise was that the period of punk that Kosmo initially referred to (1976-1985?) did not "matter" to a large number of Americans."
In a sense, this is correct. (sorry for jumping in late) Back in the late 70's when the fun began the US kids did not have easy access to the music. Around here, aside from some college stations (WGTB) and one truly alternative station at the time (WHFS…103.1 Bethesda), there was no (relatively free) outlet for the music in the DC area. Back in the geezer days of 77-78 I was in high school, and nobody around me heard of the stuff I had fallen into. And those that had knew it as "punk shit" and never took the time to listen to it. I had to purchase music based on word of mouth and to some extent, reviews in CREEM and other magazines that were covering the scene. So yeah, it didn't matter to the masses. But, as Martha says, that's a good thing. Otherwise it would have been diluted much quicker than it was.
In a sense, this is correct. (sorry for jumping in late) Back in the late 70's when the fun began the US kids did not have easy access to the music. Around here, aside from some college stations (WGTB) and one truly alternative station at the time (WHFS…103.1 Bethesda), there was no (relatively free) outlet for the music in the DC area. Back in the geezer days of 77-78 I was in high school, and nobody around me heard of the stuff I had fallen into. And those that had knew it as "punk shit" and never took the time to listen to it. I had to purchase music based on word of mouth and to some extent, reviews in CREEM and other magazines that were covering the scene. So yeah, it didn't matter to the masses. But, as Martha says, that's a good thing. Otherwise it would have been diluted much quicker than it was.
All the time? Puh-leeze. And before you recall the Nickleback coment, I was totally joking when I called you pathetic for singing a Nickleback song…that was a joke!
Originally posted by Arlette:
Rhett, what the hell are you talking about? You call people names and use personal attacks quite a bit. Get down off that high horse you are sitting on, you have not earned that perch.
I don't think personal attacks and name-calling are necessary. But you can't call someone else out for it when you do it all the time.
Obviously, punk mattered.There is a 3 page discussion going on about it 20 some years later on this one forum alone.I'm quite certain there are many other likeminded individuals elsewhere who would also agree. The percentage of people to which it mattered however,could certainly be debated infinitely.As someone who came of age during that timeframe, it certainly mattered to me and ultimately, to some extent shaped the person I am today. Long Live Punk!!!
Thanks for posting that. That was all that I was getting at. Interesting post, and I agree with your final comment.
Originally posted by Paul Styrene:
"My simple premise was that the period of punk that Kosmo initially referred to (1976-1985?) did not "matter" to a large number of Americans."
In a sense, this is correct. (sorry for jumping in late) Back in the late 70's when the fun began the US kids did not have easy access to the music. Around here, aside from some college stations (WGTB) and one truly alternative station at the time (WHFS…103.1 Bethesda), there was no (relatively free) outlet for the music in the DC area. Back in the geezer days of 77-78 I was in high school, and nobody around me heard of the stuff I had fallen into. And those that had knew it as "punk shit" and never took the time to listen to it. I had to purchase music based on word of mouth and to some extent, reviews in CREEM and other magazines that were covering the scene. So yeah, it didn't matter to the masses. But, as Martha says, that's a good thing. Otherwise it would have been diluted much quicker than it was.
Originally posted by Paul Styrene:I need to give WAMU 88.5 some props as well. Growing up a few hundred miles from DC myself, HFS at the time, did not have a very strong signal and was hard to get at certain times. 88.5 however, was stronger and they were ahead of their time with what they were playing. So Kudo's WAMU, I was sorry to see you fall to pieces.
" Around here, aside from some college stations (WGTB) and one truly alternative station at the time (WHFS…103.1 Bethesda), there was no (relatively free) outlet for the music in the DC area.
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