AV Club's List of Rap/Rock acts that peaked with debut

http://www.avclub.com/content/feature/too_much_too_soon_20

I agree with most on the list, except they forgot to include the Foo Fighters. They should have been number 1.

Originally posted by wanderlust j. marshmallow:
http://www.avclub.com/content/feature/too_much_too_soon_20

I agree with most on the list, except they forgot to include the Foo Fighters. They should have been number 1.

The Strokes is a really lazy pick. Room on Fire is and was great.


Is Guns and Roses and Stone Roses too obvious?

Yeah, it's a pretty weak list.

-They throw in The Modern Lovers and admit it isn't their debut album. Alanis Morissette's 'Jagged Little Pill' should be on there in this case.

-It's kinda hard to go too far beyond your debut album when you're dead after making one or two (Biggie)… with that logic where's Joy Division, Blind Melon, Jeff Buckley?

-Plus there's TONS of Rap acts that peaked on their debut. Cypress Hill, Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, Digital Underground, De La Soul, etc

-They focus on 'hipster' rock and then lump in mainstream rap? 'Adult Alternative' should feel left out. Where's Men at Work, Soft Cell, Jewel, Lisa Loeb, Gin Blossoms, Candlebox, etc.

Originally posted by Mobius:

Originally posted by wanderlust j. marshmallow:
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I agree with most on the list, except they forgot to include the Foo Fighters. They should have been number 1.

The Strokes is a really lazy pick. Room on Fire is and was great.

You're right. "Room on Fire" IS great.

Where's Oasis? Despire the lighters aloft choons of "Wonderwall", "Don't Look Back in Anger" and "Champagne Supernova" you can't tell me "Morning Glory" is better than "Definitely Maybe." They peaked with their first one.

Plus, the Supergrass argument is weak. Saying their first album was best because it was young and exciting is like saying "Pablo Honey" is Radiohead's best because it has "Creep" on it. Both bands got a LOT better.

Brian

Oh yeah, and Son Volt.

sex pistols

celebration

american idol

weezer…though there are some good songs on Pinkerton.

Originally posted by wanderlust j. marshmallow:
weezer…though there are some good songs on Pinkerton.

i'm in the 'i prefer pinkerton to blue' camp.

I definitely think the Blue album is good, but I'd say anyone that prefers that to Pinkerton (or anything after) is crazy.

Originally posted by miss pretentious:

Originally posted by wanderlust j. marshmallow:
weezer…though there are some good songs on Pinkerton.

i'm in the 'i prefer pinkerton to blue' camp.

definitely love the production of Pinkerton…one of the best engineered albums I think.

Originally posted by nkotb:
I definitely think the Blue album is good, but I'd say anyone that prefers that to Pinkerton (or anything after) is crazy.

Love the first two, but everything afterwards is unlistenable. I just saw that their new single is "pork and beans" or something insanely stupid like that.

sad.

I thought Weezer's Green album was sweet. A feel good hit of the summer of 01.

Originally posted by wanderlust j. marshmallow:

I agree with most on the list, except they forgot to include the Foo Fighters. They should have been number 1.

Going to have to politely disagree with you there. I think their second album was far and away their best material and definitely included their biggest hits.

Using singer Zack De La Rocha's hardcore militancy to take the macho swagger and frat-boy idiocy out of funk-metal…

That's funny, because Rage Against The Machine is easily the most frat-boy idiotic musical group in history. I'll take the Chili Peppers non-sensical rambles over RATM's indefensibly idiotic, psuedo-violent "politics."

No one with an IQ over 54 can call for the release of Mumia Abu Jamal or 98% of the other things they sing about. Commerce dressed up as rebellion.

Originally posted by Shadrach:

Originally posted by wanderlust j. marshmallow:

I agree with most on the list, except they forgot to include the Foo Fighters. They should have been number 1.

Going to have to politely disagree with you there. I think their second album was far and away their best material and definitely included their biggest hits.

Agreed.

I also think "Battle of Los Angeles" is the best Rage Against the Machine album.

Originally posted by Julian, certified WEBLEBRITY:

Using singer Zack De La Rocha's hardcore militancy to take the macho swagger and frat-boy idiocy out of funk-metal…

That's funny, because Rage Against The Machine is easily the most frat-boy idiotic musical group in history. I'll take the Chili Peppers non-sensical rambles over RATM's indefensibly idiotic, psuedo-violent "politics."

No one with an IQ over 54 can call for the release of Mumia Abu Jamal or 98% of the other things they sing about. Commerce dressed up as rebellion.

Hyperbole, much? Ignoring the fact that I completely disagree with you, you're really going to put Rage Against the Machine over Limp Bizkit, Kid Rock, Nickelback, Hinder, and so on and on and on….

Originally posted by Julian, certified WEBLEBRITY:
Commerce dressed up as rebellion.

Bloc Party fan?

Uniform

Originally posted by callat703:

Originally posted by Julian, certified WEBLEBRITY:

Using singer Zack De La Rocha's hardcore militancy to take the macho swagger and frat-boy idiocy out of funk-metal…

That's funny, because Rage Against The Machine is easily the most frat-boy idiotic musical group in history. I'll take the Chili Peppers non-sensical rambles over RATM's indefensibly idiotic, psuedo-violent "politics."

No one with an IQ over 54 can call for the release of Mumia Abu Jamal or 98% of the other things they sing about. Commerce dressed up as rebellion.

Hyperbole, much? Ignoring the fact that I completely disagree with you, you're really going to put Rage Against the Machine over Limp Bizkit, Kid Rock, Nickelback, Hinder, and so on and on and on….

I thought the whole point of this list was bands that released their best material on their debut album. Not to poke fun at anyone's musical taste, but are you saying that Limp Bizkit, Kid Rock, Nickelback and Hinder all had good enough stuff on their debut albums to qualify for this list. Plus from a commercial standpoint at least three of those bands had much more success with their follow-up albums.

Originally posted by Shadrach:
I thought the whole point of this list was bands that released their best material on their debut album. Not to poke fun at anyone's musical taste, but are you saying that Limp Bizkit, Kid Rock, Nickelback and Hinder all had good enough stuff on their debut albums to qualify for this list. Plus from a commercial standpoint at least three of those bands had much more success with their follow-up albums.

No, no - I was just taking issue with Julian's statement that "Rage Against The Machine is easily the most frat-boy idiotic musical group in history."

Originally posted by callat703:
Hyperbole, much? Ignoring the fact that I completely disagree with you, you're really going to put Rage Against the Machine over Limp Bizkit, Kid Rock, Nickelback, Hinder, and so on and on and on….

I would put RATM on equal footing with any of those bands listed, except RATM – unlike the others – gives off an air of absurd bohemian, socio-liberal pandering, which is pretty much de facto what college is about. Morons feeling political, or smart about listening to imbecilic rap-metal does not, in fact, make them any less fratboy or imbecilic.