Originally posted by Rhett Miller:no, rhett. you dont get it. you are not smarter than the rest of us.
I just don't think smokers get it.
and intolerance goes both ways.
and intolerance goes both ways.
Mark your calendars / Arcade Fire
and intolerance goes both ways.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:Or your democratic ones, because it's majority rule, and the majority say no smoking in public places in CA.
is that i should be allowed to let people smoke in my business if i want to. shouldnt be up to the government….though that doesnt go with my socialistic views.
And for your business, private property rights aren't inalienable. There are other safety and health regulations that must be followed in all businesses and this is just another. Your workers must wash their hands after using the restroom and your patrons must refrain from smoking in the place of business.
No one is saying you can't smoke. You just can't smoke in a public place.
i never said i had democratic values….did i?
Originally posted by sonickteam2:That was in response to "shouldn't be up to the government"
i never said i had democratic values….did i?
Originally posted by vansmack:quit getting all lawyer on me. i am just stating my views.
Or your democratic ones, because it's majority rule, and the majority say no smoking in public places in CA.
And for your business, private property rights aren't inalienable. There are other safety and health regulations that must be followed in all businesses and this is just another. Your workers must wash their hands after using the restroom and your patrons must refrain from smoking in the place of business.
No one is saying you can't smoke. You just can't smoke in a public place.
Originally posted by vansmack:that must have REALLY pissed off the anti-hand washers!!! i bet there were protests everywhere.
Your workers must wash their hands after using the restroom
Originally posted by sonickteam2:I thought Canadians didn't use "restrooms" anyways. They only use "washrooms."
Originally posted by vansmack:that must have REALLY pissed off the anti-hand washers!!! i bet there were protests everywhere.
Your workers must wash their hands after using the restroom
Originally posted by sonickteam2:Not meaning to pick on you mate. Sorry about that.
quit getting all lawyer on me. i am just stating my views.
As a long time lung ailment sufferer I get a little over zealous in my pursuit/defense of smoking bans.
i do plan to quit smoking one day, but it will definitely not be because of anyone complaining or laws being passed.
i also once had a job working for a cigarette company, giving away free cigarettes!!! just to seal up my spot in hell ;)
i also once had a job working for a cigarette company, giving away free cigarettes!!! just to seal up my spot in hell ;)
Originally posted by vansmack:i know. to each his own and everyone values something different. for instance, I am all for the cell phone driving ban. talk about not caring about others' safety! but its really the same principal.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:Not meaning to pick on you mate. Sorry about that.
quit getting all lawyer on me. i am just stating my views.
Originally posted by sonickteam2:SUITED MAN
i also once had a job working for a cigarette company, giving away free cigarettes!!! just to seal up my spot in hell ;)
Here you go.
DANTE
What's this?
SUITED MAN
A fine, for five hundred dollars.
DANTE
WHAT?
TRAINER
Five hundred bucks? What for?
SUITED MAN
For violation of New Jersey Statute
Section Two A, number one-seventy
slash fifty-one: Any person who
sells or makes available tobacco or
tobacco-related products to persons
under the age of eighteen is
regarded as disorderly.
99.
DANTE
What are you talking about?
SUITED MAN
According to the NJAC-the New
Jersey Administrative Code, section
eighteen, five, slash twelve point
five-a fine of no less than two
hundred and fifty dollars is to be
leveled against any person reported
selling cigarettes to a minor.
DANTE
I didn't do that!
SUITED MAN
You said you were here all day?
DANTE
Yeah, but I didn't sell cigarettes
to any kids!
SUITED MAN
An angry mother called the state
division of taxation and complained
that the man working at Quick Stop
Convenience sold her five-year-old
daughter cigarettes today at around
four o'clock. Division of taxation
calls the State Board of Health,
and they send me down here to issue
a fine. You say you were working
all day, hence the fine is yours.
It's doubled due to the incredibly
young age of the child.
DANTE
But I didn't sell cigarettes to any
kid!
TRAINER
To a five-year-old kid? What a
scumbag!
HEATHER
That's sick, Dante.
DANTE
I didn't sell cigarettes to any
kids! I swear!
100.
SUITED MAN
The due date is on the bottom. This
summons cannot be contested in any
court of law. Failure to remit
before the due date will result in
a charge of criminal negligence,
and a warrant will be issued for
your arrest. Have a nice day.
The SUITED MAN exits, with DANTE trying to follow.
DANTE
But I didn't sell cigarettes to any
kids! Hey!
TRAINER
(takes back the card)
Forget it. I don't want to deal
with a guy that sells cigarettes to
a five-year-old.
(to HEATHER)
Can I offer you a ride somewhere?
HEATHER
Sure. How about the beach?
TRAINER
I like the way you think.
The default option here is obvious…. smoking proponents are looking through much distortion to support their claim. The air at the club on Sunday was tremendous!
Guess that I should repeat myself here.
My post from the Earlimart/Bobby Bare, Jr. thread:
"I can't stand when I'm trying to enjoy a show but have to fight to breathe, watch my moves so I don't get burned and then end up going home stinking sober and still get sick. In fact, I've found that I tend to drink less in a smoke saturated environment because it makes me so sick that I can't stomach the alcohol added to my system."
My post from the Earlimart/Bobby Bare, Jr. thread:
"I can't stand when I'm trying to enjoy a show but have to fight to breathe, watch my moves so I don't get burned and then end up going home stinking sober and still get sick. In fact, I've found that I tend to drink less in a smoke saturated environment because it makes me so sick that I can't stomach the alcohol added to my system."
A SMALL CROWD gathers around the ACTIVIST as he orates. It
has become something of a rally.
10.
ACTIVIST
You're spending what? Twenty,
thirty dollars a week on cigarettes.
LISTENER 1
Forty.
LISTENER 2
Fifty-three.
ACTIVIST
Fifty-three dollars. Would you pay
someone that much money every week
to kill you? Because that's what
you're doing now, by paying for the
so-called privilege to smoke!
LISTENER 3
We all gotta go sometime…
ACTIVIST
It's that kind of mentality that
allows this cancer-producing
industry to thrive. Of course we're
all going to die someday, but do we
have to pay for it? Do we have to
actually throw hard-earned dollars
on a counter and say, "Please,
please, Mister Merchant of Death,
sir; please sell me something that
will give me bad breath, stink up
my clothes, and fry my lungs."
LISTENER 1
It's not that easy to quit.
ACTIVIST
Of course it's not; not when you
have people like this mindless
cretin so happy and willing to sell
you nails for your coffin!
DANTE
Hey, now wait a sec…
ACTIVIST
Now he's going to launch into his
rap about how he's just doing his
job; following orders.
(MORE)
11.
ACTIVIST (CONT'D)
Friends, let me tell you about
another bunch of hate mongers that
were just following orders: they
were called Nazis, and they
practically wiped a nation of
people from the Earth…just like
cigarettes are doing now! Cigarette
smoking is the new Holocaust, and
those that partake in the practice
of smoking or sell the wares that
promote it are the Nazis of the
nineties! He doesn't care how many
people die from it! He smiles as
you pay for your cancer sticks and
says, "Have a nice day."
DANTE
I think you'd better leave now.
ACTIVIST
You want me to leave? Why? Because
somebody is telling it like it is?
Somebody's giving these fine people
a wake-up call?!
DANTE
You're loitering in here, and
causing a disturbance.
ACTIVIST
You're the disturbance, pal! And
here…
(slaps a dollar on
the counter)
I'm buying some…what's
this?…Chewlie's Gum. There. I'm
no longer loitering. I'm a customer,
a customer engaged in a discussion
with other customers.
LISTENER 2
(to DANTE)
Yeah, now shut up so he can speak!
ACTIVIST
Oh, he's scared now! He sees the
threat we present! He smells the
changes coming, and the loss of
sales when the nonsmokers finally
demand satisfaction. We demand the
right to breathe cleaner air!
12.
LISTENER 3
Yeah!
ACTIVIST
We'd rather chew our gum than
embrace slow death! Let's abolish
this heinous practice of sucking
poison, and if it means ruffling
the feathers of a convenience store
idiot, then so be it!
DANTE
That's it, everybody out.
ACTIVIST
We're not moving! We have a right,
a constitutional right, to assemble
and be heard!
DANTE
Yeah, but not in here.
ACTIVIST
What better place than this? To
stamp it out, you gotta start at
the source!
DANTE
Like I'm responsible for all the
smokers!
ACTIVIST
The ones in this town, yes! You
encourage their growth, their habit.
You're the source in this area, and
we're going to shut you down for
good! For good, cancer-merchant!
The small crowd begins to chant and jeer in DANTE's face.
CROWD
Cancer merchant! Cancer merchant!
Cancer merchant!
VERONICA enters and surveys the mess. The CROWD throws
cigarettes at DANTE, pelting him in the face. Suddenly, a
loud blast is heard, and white powder explodes over the
throng. Everyone turns to face…
VERONICA as she stands in one of the freezer cases, holding
a fire extinguisher.
VERONICA
Who's leading this mob?
13.
The CROWD looks among themselves. Someone points to O.C.
SOMEONE
That guy.
The ACTIVIST carries his briefcase surreptitiously toward
the door.
VERONICA (O.C.)
Freeze.
VERONICA jumps off the freezer case, training the nozzle of
the extinguisher on the ACTIVIST.
VERONICA
Let's see some credentials.
He reaches into his briefcase. She pokes the extinguisher
nozzle at him, warningly.
VERONICA
Slowly…
He pulls out a business card and hands it to her. She reads
it.
VERONICA
You're a Chewlie's Gum
representative?
He nods.
VERONICA
And you're stirring up all this
antismoking sentiment
to…what?…sell more gum?
He nods again.
VERONICA
(through gritted teeth)
Get out of here.
He quickly flees. She blasts him with more chemical as he
exits.
VERONICA
(to the crowd)
And you people: Don't you have jobs
to go to? Get out of here and go
commute.
The CROWD sheepishly exits, one by one, offering apologetic
glances. DANTE tries to regain his composure.
has become something of a rally.
10.
ACTIVIST
You're spending what? Twenty,
thirty dollars a week on cigarettes.
LISTENER 1
Forty.
LISTENER 2
Fifty-three.
ACTIVIST
Fifty-three dollars. Would you pay
someone that much money every week
to kill you? Because that's what
you're doing now, by paying for the
so-called privilege to smoke!
LISTENER 3
We all gotta go sometime…
ACTIVIST
It's that kind of mentality that
allows this cancer-producing
industry to thrive. Of course we're
all going to die someday, but do we
have to pay for it? Do we have to
actually throw hard-earned dollars
on a counter and say, "Please,
please, Mister Merchant of Death,
sir; please sell me something that
will give me bad breath, stink up
my clothes, and fry my lungs."
LISTENER 1
It's not that easy to quit.
ACTIVIST
Of course it's not; not when you
have people like this mindless
cretin so happy and willing to sell
you nails for your coffin!
DANTE
Hey, now wait a sec…
ACTIVIST
Now he's going to launch into his
rap about how he's just doing his
job; following orders.
(MORE)
11.
ACTIVIST (CONT'D)
Friends, let me tell you about
another bunch of hate mongers that
were just following orders: they
were called Nazis, and they
practically wiped a nation of
people from the Earth…just like
cigarettes are doing now! Cigarette
smoking is the new Holocaust, and
those that partake in the practice
of smoking or sell the wares that
promote it are the Nazis of the
nineties! He doesn't care how many
people die from it! He smiles as
you pay for your cancer sticks and
says, "Have a nice day."
DANTE
I think you'd better leave now.
ACTIVIST
You want me to leave? Why? Because
somebody is telling it like it is?
Somebody's giving these fine people
a wake-up call?!
DANTE
You're loitering in here, and
causing a disturbance.
ACTIVIST
You're the disturbance, pal! And
here…
(slaps a dollar on
the counter)
I'm buying some…what's
this?…Chewlie's Gum. There. I'm
no longer loitering. I'm a customer,
a customer engaged in a discussion
with other customers.
LISTENER 2
(to DANTE)
Yeah, now shut up so he can speak!
ACTIVIST
Oh, he's scared now! He sees the
threat we present! He smells the
changes coming, and the loss of
sales when the nonsmokers finally
demand satisfaction. We demand the
right to breathe cleaner air!
12.
LISTENER 3
Yeah!
ACTIVIST
We'd rather chew our gum than
embrace slow death! Let's abolish
this heinous practice of sucking
poison, and if it means ruffling
the feathers of a convenience store
idiot, then so be it!
DANTE
That's it, everybody out.
ACTIVIST
We're not moving! We have a right,
a constitutional right, to assemble
and be heard!
DANTE
Yeah, but not in here.
ACTIVIST
What better place than this? To
stamp it out, you gotta start at
the source!
DANTE
Like I'm responsible for all the
smokers!
ACTIVIST
The ones in this town, yes! You
encourage their growth, their habit.
You're the source in this area, and
we're going to shut you down for
good! For good, cancer-merchant!
The small crowd begins to chant and jeer in DANTE's face.
CROWD
Cancer merchant! Cancer merchant!
Cancer merchant!
VERONICA enters and surveys the mess. The CROWD throws
cigarettes at DANTE, pelting him in the face. Suddenly, a
loud blast is heard, and white powder explodes over the
throng. Everyone turns to face…
VERONICA as she stands in one of the freezer cases, holding
a fire extinguisher.
VERONICA
Who's leading this mob?
13.
The CROWD looks among themselves. Someone points to O.C.
SOMEONE
That guy.
The ACTIVIST carries his briefcase surreptitiously toward
the door.
VERONICA (O.C.)
Freeze.
VERONICA jumps off the freezer case, training the nozzle of
the extinguisher on the ACTIVIST.
VERONICA
Let's see some credentials.
He reaches into his briefcase. She pokes the extinguisher
nozzle at him, warningly.
VERONICA
Slowly…
He pulls out a business card and hands it to her. She reads
it.
VERONICA
You're a Chewlie's Gum
representative?
He nods.
VERONICA
And you're stirring up all this
antismoking sentiment
to…what?…sell more gum?
He nods again.
VERONICA
(through gritted teeth)
Get out of here.
He quickly flees. She blasts him with more chemical as he
exits.
VERONICA
(to the crowd)
And you people: Don't you have jobs
to go to? Get out of here and go
commute.
The CROWD sheepishly exits, one by one, offering apologetic
glances. DANTE tries to regain his composure.
Originally posted by Jaguär:oh my god, cry me a river…..
Guess that I should repeat myself here.
My post from the Earlimart/Bobby Bare, Jr. thread:
"I can't stand when I'm trying to enjoy a show but have to fight to breathe, watch my moves so I don't get burned and then end up going home stinking sober and still get sick. In fact, I've found that I tend to drink less in a smoke saturated environment because it makes me so sick that I can't stomach the alcohol added to my system."
at least you save some money on alcohol
Originally posted by Jaguär:you're a pussy. sorry, had to be said.
Guess that I should repeat myself here.
My post from the Earlimart/Bobby Bare, Jr. thread:
"I can't stand when I'm trying to enjoy a show but have to fight to breathe, watch my moves so I don't get burned and then end up going home stinking sober and still get sick. In fact, I've found that I tend to drink less in a smoke saturated environment because it makes me so sick that I can't stomach the alcohol added to my system."
did anyone catch them on Conan last night?
Originally posted by HoyaSaxa03:she is a girl though, dude. actually more like an old lady… :) (kidding jag!)
you're a pussy. sorry, had to be said.
Listen Sonny Boy and Whiner Saxa, some people will fight tooth and coffin nail to defend their addictions. What I posted was a fact of my life and many other non-smokers side of the story. We have rights too!!! I use to be a smoker so I do know both sides of the story and the smoker's side negatively impacts the non-smoker's side far more so than the other way around.
And that river is a river of tears because of all of the fucking smoke in my eyes! If you want it to stop, than stop polluting my breathing space.
And that river is a river of tears because of all of the fucking smoke in my eyes! If you want it to stop, than stop polluting my breathing space.
Originally posted by Jaguär:rock and rollll!!!!!
Listen Sonny Boy and Whiner Saxa, some people will fight tooth and coffin nail to defend their addictions. What I posted was a fact of my life and many other non-smokers side of the story. We have rights too!!! I use to be a smoker so I do know both sides of the story and the smoker's side negatively impacts the non-smoker's side far more so than the other way around.
And that river is a river of tears because of all of the fucking smoke in my eyes! If you want it to stop, than stop polluting my breathing space.