Kerry Finished??

Did they try to rope you into a threesome?

Originally posted by mankie:
Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
Can y'all start another thread for middle east? kerrygate is more interesting…
Okay back to topic….I've met them both, John Kerry and Mrs. Heinz Kerry….even been in their house.

Aren't I the dogs bollocks? :D
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:

i heard one theory that the democrats were looking to write off the whole south (excluding maybe florida) and try to win the other big states. kinda risky to say the least…
it's very risky. . .by giving bush the south (including florida, oklahoma and kentucky), bush is at 168 votes, around 100 votes short needed to win. the rest would come from the midwest.
add a midwestern running mate, and try to score ohio and indiana over what gore did in 2000, and you have 291 electoral votes. give back new mexico and iowa and you're still at 279. very, very risky though
Can the North Rise Again?
By TODD S. PURDUM

Published: February 8, 2004

ASHINGTON â?? He sometimes looks so Lincolnesque that all he lacks is the beard and the stovepipe hat. His Boston Brahmin ancestors moved in the leading antislavery circles of the Civil War. So when John Kerry dared to suggest just before the New Hampshire primary that he could win the presidency without the South, he may simply have been speaking like the bred-in-the-bone Yankee he is.

â??Everybody makes the mistake of looking south,â? Mr. Kerry said at Dartmouth College, Daniel Websterâ??s alma mater, just before the New Hampshire primary. â??Al Gore proved he could have been president of the United States without winning one Southern state, including his own. I think the fight is all over this country. Forget about those red and blue states.â?

Mr. Kerry might better have heeded that classic Southern confession of error: â??Shut my mouth!â? For all the homogenization of modern America, all the commercial communion of Starbucks and Wal-Mart, and all the connective power of Internet and Interstate, presidential politics remain, in many ways, the province of blue highways â?? and pronounced regional differences, pride and votes.

The nominating process, with its quadrennial hopscotch from Iowaâ??s pork tenderloins to New Hampshireâ??s doughnuts and a dozen other local delicacies, amounts to a serial test of candidatesâ?? abilities to prevail across sectional divides. So does the general election. The unforgiving math of the Electoral College means that candidates must win whole states, in different regions, not just the census tracts of their choice.

Mr. Kerry would be the first Northern elected president of either party since another senator from Massachusetts, John F. Kennedy, won in the long election night of 1960 with Lyndon B. Johnsonâ??s help. (Kennedy then spent much of his time trying to placate Southern Democrats.) For better or worse, Mr. Kerry is as Boston as brown bread and clam chowder, while his rival John Edwards is as Carolina as hush puppies and she-crab soup. Mr. Edwards argues that he would be a stronger opponent against George Bush in his own backyard.

But Mr. Kerry hopes that his decorated combat service in Vietnam and his neo-populist pledge to take on â??powerful interestsâ? can serve him well throughout the country against the proud Texas Republican in the White House, and he argued as much on the CBS News program â??Face the Nationâ? last month. Asked if he had to win the South Carolina primary to prove his appeal in the region, he said, â??Iâ??m going to do my best to, but I donâ??t have to,â? and added: â??The South is not a foreign country. This is America, and these Americans in the South care about the same things that we care about in New Hampshire and elsewhere.â?

Up to a point. But there are also real differences, even if not precisely the differences of myth and memory. â??Itâ??s not so much a perpetuation of trends as it is new forms of distinctiveness,â? said Bruce J. Schulman, a professor of history and American studies at Boston University, who is at work on a history of the United States from 1896 to 1929. â??A lot of what weâ??re talking about here is a Sun Belt pattern, rather than an Old South pattern of regional distinctions. It has as much to do with strip malls and the defense industry and retired military people as it does with ancient racial and ruralist traditions.â?

To that end, Mr. Kerry has chosen to highlight not only his skills with a hockey stick, which he showed off in New Hampshire, but his ease with a shotgun, his love for Harley-Davidsons, his happiness in a helicopter and the deep loyalty of the â??band of brothers,â? some of them Southern, with whom he served on a swift patrol boat in Vietnam. On every stage, he is surrounded by the heroes of the post-Sept. 11 age: firefighters, whose union has endorsed him, and veterans, whose trials he shared.

Presidential contenders have always had to think globally and act locally, and have paid a price when they did not. Howard Deanâ??s advisers confessed that his standing in Iowa dropped 10 points after the revelation that he had criticized the stateâ??s caucuses four years earlier on Canadian television. James Gimpel, a professor of government and politics at the University of Maryland and the author of â??Patchwork Nation: Sectionalism and Political Change in American Politics,â? noted that presidential candidates not only need a few winning national themes, â??but to some extent need to tailor their stump speech locally a bit.â?

â??It may well be that someone sitting outside Traverse City, Mich., is concerned with the state of the economy as a whole but nevertheless be focused on the auto industry in particular,â? he said. â??Just as if you are moving into Florida and a candidateâ??s not prepared to speak on things like prescription drug coverage and Social Security, then the candidateâ??s not been well prepared.â?

Mr. Kerry is careful in every state to cite the number of jobs lost there, and to portray himself as more fiscally conservative than Mr. Bush. Unlike Al Gore four years ago, he does not shrink from associating himself with the deficit-cutting economic boom of Bill Clintonâ??s presidency, or with other charismatic Democrats of the 20th century.

The historian Doris Kearns Goodwin, herself a Massachusetts liberal who was transplanted from Long Island, said that given the political polarization in the country, Mr. Kerry need not be ashamed of being a Northerner, or even a liberal, so long as he casts himself in the proud tradition of Democrats from Franklin D. Roosevelt to John Kennedy. â??But it means absolutely having to fight back against the idea that thereâ??s something wrong with you,â? she said.

Of the 14 men of both parties who held the presidency from Ulysses S. Grant to Roosevelt, all were from the North, and most were Republicans, while the Democrats held the solid South but not the White House. Bitter battles over race and huge population and power shifts to the South and the West have reversed that geography, with Republicans â?? two from California (Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan) and two from Texas (the Bushes) dominating both the South and the presidency since 1968.

Political behavior may remain more localized than consumer behavior precisely because a McDonaldâ??s restaurant is virtually the same in Texas or California, while the states and their laws, constitutions, reigning establishments and traditions are not. Mr. Bushâ??s political strategist, Karl Rove, keeps hoping that Latino voters in California will behave more like those in Texas in their support of his boss, but so far they have not. Only the Potomac River divides Maryland and Virginia geographically, but culture and history â?? distant and recent â??make Virginia much more conservative.

Mr. Gore won the overall popular vote four years ago, and could have won the Electoral College by carrying any one of a number of states, from New Hampshire to Arkansas or his own Tennessee turf. But population shifts in the 2000 census mean that Republican-leaning states in the South and West have picked up electoral votes, so if Mr. Bush simply carries the states he won in 2000, he would automatically have a leg up.

That means that if Mr. Kerry turns out to be the nominee, he would need to carry not only all the states Mr. Gore won, but also some large state, like Florida or Ohio, that went Republican last time. â??Ohio offsets a lot if they can win that,â? said David Lanoue, chairman of the political science department at the University of Alabama.

So it is no accident that Mr. Bush has paid plenty of attention to Ohio since taking office, or that in the last two weeks he chased after the Democrats in two states that just happen to be very much in play for November: Iowa, where Mr. Bush barely lost to Mr. Gore in 2000, and New Hampshire, where he narrowly won. The president of all the people can never be just a niche player.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/08/weekinreview/08PURD.html?pagewanted=1
Does anybody think we'll ever have a president of italian descent, or eastern european, or a latino or african-american?
Originally posted by mankie:
What's the big deal anyway.

Democrats = adulterers
Repuplicans = draft dodgers

I'll take an adulterer in the Whitehouse anytime…at least you don't have to send the troops out to commit adultery.
Which would you take to a foxhole?


Originally posted by Rutherford J. Balls:
[…]is the man that can best beat Bush anyway…pick a…Bush…gay…ass
But via the Drudge allegation it would seem that Kerry likes to beat a good bush now and again.
Is American politics suddenly returning to the bad old days, when Washington journalism became frenzied with sheet sniffing and keyhole peeping? That seems to be the default program of the right-wing media machine whenever Republican poll numbers sink into the red zone.

Late Thursday morning – with George W. Bush's credibility damaged on several fronts as reporters demanded answers to questions about his National Guard service that should have been asked years ago – the Drudge Report defamed his leading Democratic challenger with a "world exclusive" smudge of personal dirt.

Vague and unsourced but hyped to the maximum by Drudge, the brief item sounded disturbingly familiar. The Internet gossip accused John Kerry of "recent alleged infidelity" with "a woman who recently fled the country," adding that a "close friend of the woman recently approached a reporter with fantastic stories." The same item ran an "off the record" comment attributed to retired Gen. Wesley Clark, who was quoted as saying, "Kerry will implode over an intern issue." Major news organizations from ABC News to the Associated Press, warned Drudge, were all over the story.

By evening, however, no major news organization had run with it, though many were chasing it. Perhaps frustrated, Drudge put up an additional item eight hours later, with a few more details about the alleged relationship. "Unlike the Monica Lewinsky drama, which first played out publicly in this space, with audio tapes, cigar and a dress, the Kerry situation has posed a challenge to reporters investigating the claims," his later item explained. Drudge also quoted a "top source" as saying: "There is no lawsuit testimony this time [like Clinton with Paula Jones]. It is hard to prove."

But the kind of proof usually required by national news organizations isn't what Drudge needs in order to put innuendo into circulation.

Somewhat conveniently, Drudge had earlier posted an item that blamed the sudden smudging on a disgruntled Democratic consultant named Chris Lehane, who had been fired by Kerry before going to work as a communications aide to Clark. That second item was later taken down without explanation. By then, of course, this Drudge-drama was already "rocking" Democrats – and delighting Republicans – across the nation, at least according to Drudge.

The template was pure Monica: Intern has affair with married politician, is betrayed by a "close friend," and finally exposed by the pliant Drudge.

So far, however, the mainstream media has yet to touch the Drudge item, despite heavy promotion by Rush Limbaugh and the Wall Street Journal's Opinion Journal Web site. Whoever lit this match must have been disappointed when the story that smoldered in newsrooms during the afternoon failed to blaze into a firestorm by early evening. The only exception, so far, is a daily newspaper in Scotland.

Over the years, Kerry's private life has generated its share of gossip. He was a divorced, socially active single man for several years before he remarried. No woman has so far stepped forward to embarrass him in any way – and the only published report even remotely hinting at marital infidelity is a 6-year-old unfounded clipping from the Boston Herald. Sources in the Kerry camp insist that the Drudge story has no foundation, although they have been predicting since Bush's numbers began to drop that the White House would soon dump its opposition research on their candidate. It may also be worth noting that the Massachusetts senator underwent surgery and radiation treatment last year for prostate cancer.

Was the Drudge item a late hit by an angry Democrat seeking revenge, or a plant by desperate Republicans hoping to distract attention from the president's problems? Lacking proof, the most pertinent questions are the standards of forensic inquiry: Cui bono (who benefits)? And who had the motive, method and opportunity?

Drudge's allegations set off a chain of speculation. Certainly some Democrats wondered if the evidence-free item came from Lehane, who declined public comment this afternoon. Lehane has a reputation as an often rough operator, and that may provide a pretext for Drudge to smear him, too. Following Lehane's dismissal from the Kerry campaign some months ago, the tone of his remarks about his former employer occasionally sounded vengeful. If Clark actually uttered the nasty remark as quoted by Drudge, the general might have heard such rumors from his sharp-edged consultant. But then if Clark believed Kerry was about to "implode," he might not have dropped out of the primary race – or decided to endorse the Massachusetts senator, as he is expected to do on Friday.

A source close to Lehane vehemently denied to me that Lehane had peddled any rumors about Kerry – and turned attention back toward the White House as Drudge's likely source. "My assessment is that this is not merely a serendipitous event," he said.

The Drudge item blaming Lehane quoted Craig Crawford, a former Democratic operative who now works as a consultant and columnist for MSNBC. Within 10 minutes after Drudge posted the Kerry intern item, Crawford sent a memo to his superiors that said the story was "something Chris Lehane (clark press secy) has shopped around for a long time." According to Crawford, someone at MSNBC promptly leaked his memo to Drudge. But when Lehane called Crawford with a loudly indignant denial, the MSNBC columnist quickly issued a public retraction. He said:

"The comments attributed to me are from a private email to television news associates based on conversations with Democratic campaign operatives. I did not consider any of it confirmed enough to report or publish. I can only verify that Chris Lehane's rivals in other Democratic campaigns made these claims and I have found no independent source to confirm it. Which is why we did not go with the story. But then someone sent my email to others, which is the only reason it got into the public domain." In other words, there is no proof that Lehane circulated the rumor, let alone that the rumor has any basis in reality.

Once again, Drudge has raised questions – but they may not be the ones he seeks to raise. The first is about journalistic standards. The second is the identity of his anonymous sources.

Journalists must ask themselves why the rumor of a private peccadillo deserves their attention and resources in the 2004 campaign. The press faces a more important issue: learning from its own failure to report the false rationale and abused intelligence that drove the nation to war.
We could've got rid of the mad man without going to war. [/QB]

we can get rid of a certain other madman in november…!
Originally posted by missmegan:
We could've got rid of the mad man without going to war.
we can get rid of a certain other madman in november…! [/QB]

All depends what the Supreme Court wants to do really.
This thread needs a bump.

Is the Drudge Report trying to compete with the Onion as the biggest joke on the web?

Look for a 'breaking news' on Kerry being visited by aliens and having a rectal probe soon!
Originally posted by slappy:
This thread needs a bump.

Is the Drudge Report trying to compete with the Onion as the biggest joke on the web?

Look for a 'breaking news' on Kerry being visited by aliens and having a rectal probe soon!
I agree. Why don't you moron's just cite Fox News next time? You bit it hook line and sinker….
Here's your glass house, start tossin'.

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Originally posted by vansmack:
I agree. Why don't you moron's just cite Fox News next time? You bit it hook line and sinker….
Originally posted by vansmack:
Originally posted by slappy:
This thread needs a bump.

Is the Drudge Report trying to compete with the Onion as the biggest joke on the web?

Look for a 'breaking news' on Kerry being visited by aliens and having a rectal probe soon!
I agree. Why don't you moron's just cite Fox News next time? You bit it hook line and sinker….
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